[mikeyice]

okay this is a very touchy subject very few some times speak up on it but i seen it done but i wanna hear what bboy org members gotta say..bcuz you guy's are just important as the old school wuz to the world as the "new skool" needs to pass on tradition new school cats today are the truth i see alot of styles & crazy footwork contest before & the new guy's are hanging neck to neck with myself & to me that's show alot i pretty much master "my" footwork style but today question i wanted to hear from talking to all the orignal's they say there really no hiphop or the whip or flava that made you feel like you just came out the poor projects in the bronx or south central los angeles had alot top bboys come outta there can't forget the westcoast but do you think that everybody does the same top's were the same shoes" and even the over due it b-boy stance in every picture? like i said i love both styles in my eye's it's one thing that the way zulu's think we dont sit there seprate hiphop like that " i just wanted to hear what the "now" generation have to say i am

open to listen like that we accept all knowledge young & old but i am sure nobody feelings is gonna get hurt hiphop i think it's fresh that today even like back in the days pumas wuz the top shoe in the world for bboys that has been brought back "thank god for that" even if you are a poser with puma's i still got love for ya nobody needs to hate on the "real school" without the fathers there would'nt even be a web site to write on.."zulu queens" first offical hiphop crew in zulu's from mouth of africa bam he told me he loves the new just as much as the old but yeah just in bboying everybody back in days.. had there own dress when ez-rock came in he had fresh puma's that's how you knew who ez-rock wuz in crazy leggs had his own fit everybody had there own everything..but i am hearing that were chuck's & dickies dont make you a bboy slogan alot! it dont matter to me but to alot it's been on going issue bcuz you see whats going on everybody up here is pretty much smart i have herd any dumb answer's so much respect to everybody ya'll are the future....!!!!!!

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[zeshenone]

I think that as much as the original heads have done for hip hop and what it means, if they mean for hip hop and bboying to continue, they have to stop hanging on to a non-existent past. The new cats can't help it, lifestyles, even lifestyle in the Bronx, have changed from back then. To me, true school bboying is foundation, all the original moves laid down by the pioneers. But the Bronx style itself is a regional flavor and attitude. I have foundation, but don't have that Bronx flavor cause I'm not from the Bronx and I don't know what it means.

However, there's a lot of people, notably old school heads, who only respect that style. But here's what changed though: Back in the day, you had to be born and raised in the Bronx to get that style. Today there's clips, internet, forums. Anybody can peep a video and all of a sudden become a Bronx bboy. And heads have praised and propagated that style to the point that you don't even need shit, as long as you're rocking that style, that dress, you will get props, or respect. In my opinion, this becomes a CRUTCH to a lot of young bboys. They're starting out, not too experienced, they get nervous, but they know that as long as they're doing something old school looking, they'll get respected for it. What you end up with is a whole generation of congruent look-alike bboys, who all emulate the Bronx flavor, but few who really have it in them.

[dbaznxdragon]

i agree with zesh, most of the new hip hop heads are trying to impersonate the past to show how legit they are as bboys (with bboy knowledge/history). even tho it's important to show that it is much more important to show their own individuality and to create new styles (clothes, technique, etc.) to contribute to themselves and hip hop

however, imo, many new hip hop cats are reppppin haard and are on the way to making new cornerstones in hip hop styles...which is extremely hard to do if u think about just how many people are reppin bboying and usually come up with similar styles that make them seem to still ride the 'bboy bandwagon' ya dig?

[mikeyice]

Originally Posted by zeshenone I think that as much as the original heads have done for hip hop and what it means, if they mean for hip hop and bboying to continue, they have to stop hanging on to a non-existent past. The new cats can't help it, lifestyles, even lifestyle in the Bronx, have changed from back then. To me, true school bboying is foundation, all the original moves laid down by the pioneers. But the Bronx style itself is a regional flavor and attitude. I have foundation, but don't have that Bronx flavor cause I'm not from the Bronx and I don't know what it means. However, there's a lot of people, notably old school heads, who only respect that style. But here's what changed though: Back in the day, you had to be born and raised in the Bronx to get that style. Today there's clips, internet, forums. Anybody can peep a video and all of a sudden become a Bronx bboy. And heads have praised and propagated that style to the point that you don't even need shit, as long as you're rocking that style, that dress, you will get props, or respect. In my opinion, this becomes a CRUTCH to a lot of young bboys. They're starting out, not too experienced, they get nervous, but they know that as long as they're doing something old school looking, they'll get respected for it. What you end up with is a whole generation of congruent look-alike bboys, who all emulate the Bronx flavor, but few who really have it in them.

you answer my question with intelligence every thing you said makes perfect sense to me "some things become a crutch" i couldn't said it better i would to like to hear from others there smart bboys out i know this!

[mikeyice]

Originally Posted by dbaznxdragon i agree with zesh, most of the new hip hop heads are trying to impersonate the past to show how legit they are as bboys (with bboy knowledge/history). even tho it's important to show that it is much more important to show their own individuality and to create new styles (clothes, technique, etc.) to contribute to themselves and hip hop however, imo, many new hip hop cats are reppppin haard and are on the way to making new cornerstones in hip hop styles...which is extremely hard to do if u think about just how many people are reppin bboying and usually come up with similar styles that make them seem to still ride the 'bboy bandwagon' ya dig?

some body telling the truth up in here!!

much respect due!

[stAble]

I didn't read any of that, but I'm a bboy, does that count?

[mikeyice]

Originally Posted by stAble I didn't read any of that, but I'm a bboy, does that count?

yeah you do count! but you should read the topic..

[[Sikk]]

When you're living around people who are all the same, being different means being alone. Who wants that? Like zeshenone said, they want to imitate them so they are accepted. I personally try to come up with my own style and see if they accept it. Like instead of doing something I know people like, I'll take a new move and put it out there like "how's that?". That helps me to learn what's really dope by paying attention to others' reactions. That's how you know you have that dope style when you take something from your heart and people go crazy over it. Yet unfortunately, I haven't been able to come up with anything that sparked anyone's interest lolololz.

[lowdown]

I just started bboying like 2 months ago but im leaning more towards the unique style side. I want to make my style so no one will be able to copy it. I want it to be just mine and anyone else who trys it looks like garbage. Thats just me though, im not trying to be mean but the only way to stand out is to be unique and if you come up with something that rocks everyones world it feels amazing i bet( i havent come up with anything yet). Thats just my take on it though. I feel bboying should be about expressing your individuality and uniqueness and not your ability to mimic someone else's.

[rocababy4]

Bgirlin/bboyin is a culture. In most cultures they use the same lingo, rock the same style of clothing, and etc. I think that new bboys aren't just hoppin on the bandwagon but they are carrying on the past generation's legacy by holding on to things 4rm their past.

It's the same as when cats move to america and they try to assimilate to the culture here and they try and still keep some of their culture 2. It's the same with bboyin they are assimilating to modern times but holding on to those precious things from the past in bboyin/bgirlin. It's just finding that balance in between the two.

I also think it's cool that someone that isnt neccessarily from the hood, can have the chance to learn about the culture too. I dont think that it should be exclusive to people in the hood because it's one of the positive things that come out of that environment & it should be shared. I think that it loses a little bit of the grimeyness when a cat from beverly hills is doing it as opposed to a cat 4rm s. central. But i think that different peoples cultures intertwining with bboyin has helped it change slighty. It's a worldwide thing now, you got peep 4rm Asia, Europe and etc doin it so they add their own lil twist 2. Just like how a lot of capoeira is being incorporated in2 bboyin.

[mikeyice]

Originally Posted by rocababy4 Bgirlin/bboyin is a culture. In most cultures they use the same lingo, rock the same style of clothing, and etc. I think that new bboys aren't just hoppin on the bandwagon but they are carrying on the past generation's legacy by holding on to things 4rm their past. It's the same as when cats move to america and they try to assimilate to the culture here and they try and still keep some of their culture 2. It's the same with bboyin they are assimilating to modern times but holding on to those precious things from the past in bboyin/bgirlin. It's just finding that balance in between the two. I also think it's cool that someone that isnt neccessarily from the hood, can have the chance to learn about the culture too. I dont think that it should be exclusive to people in the hood because it's one of the positive things that come out of that environment & it should be shared. I think that it loses a little bit of the grimeyness when a cat from beverly hills is doing it as opposed to a cat 4rm s. central. But i think that different peoples cultures intertwining with bboyin has helped it change slighty. It's a worldwide thing now, you got peep 4rm Asia, Europe and etc doin it so they add their own lil twist 2. Just like how a lot of capoeira is being incorporated in2 bboyin.

you are very intelligent b-girl!

[Bboy Blessed]

Omg..... An actual good topic


Well..... I think that yea..... Many new bboys try to measure up to the "standard" if you will of what others think bboying really is; even if it means sacrificing their own beliefs. For example..... The old, "you're not a bboy if you only focus on power" thing..... Even if you do have the original foundation that everybody should have and can still rock the beat at a decent level. Not many people want to focus on the same thing.... But it's almost like peeps try to like totally shun powerheads and abstract bboys and refuse to be open to other ideas.....


Like it's previously been said..... Back then, Bronx Flavour was what it was all about...... But I think now..... People should try to be more innovative with their shit and stop being one-dimensional by staying in the old days or else eventually there'll be repeats and what used to be orginal will be considered genericness (if that's even a word)......


As for the clothing, the style of gear will naturally evolve..... Pumas are dope shoes..... But Im a chucks man...... To sum it up..... Clothes don't make the bboy.... Style and flavour does


Overall..... Inspiration is dope..... But it's not good to try to limit the potential of this dance/artform..... As Alieness said..... "Don't do what the masters did, however, seek what the masters sought"..... In this case, the masters sought.... Which I guess in this case would be an unique style and I guess expand what could be considered "art" in a sense.....


Hope I didnt sound like a fucking tool.... If I did, sorry


Peace

[TrixR4Kids]

Originally Posted by Bboy Blessed Omg..... An actual good topic Well..... I think that yea..... Many new bboys try to measure up to the "standard" if you will of what others think bboying really is; even if it means sacrificing their own beliefs. For example..... The old, "you're not a bboy if you only focus on power" thing..... Even if you do have the original foundation that everybody should have and can still rock the beat at a decent level. Not many people want to focus on the same thing.... But it's almost like peeps try to like totally shun powerheads and abstract bboys and refuse to be open to other ideas..... Like it's previously been said..... Back then, Bronx Flavour was what it was all about...... But I think now..... People should try to be more innovative with their shit and stop being one-dimensional by staying in the old days or else eventually there'll be repeats and what used to be orginal will be considered genericness (if that's even a word)...... As for the clothing, the style of gear will naturally evolve..... Pumas are dope shoes..... But Im a chucks man...... To sum it up..... Clothes don't make the bboy.... Style and flavour does Overall..... Inspiration is dope..... But it's not good to try to limit the potential of this dance/artform..... As Alieness said..... "Don't do what the masters did, however, seek what the masters sought"..... In this case, the masters sought.... Which I guess in this case would be an unique style and I guess expand what could be considered "art" in a sense..... Hope I didnt sound like a fucking tool.... If I did, sorry Peace

Deeeeeep

[mikeyice]

Originally Posted by TrixR4Kids Deeeeeep

i think progress is happening on bboy.org

[Bboy Blessed]

Originally Posted by TrixR4Kids Deeeeeep

Thanks dude

Originally Posted by mikeyice i think progress is happening on bboy.org

Word.... Glad to have some good topics around here.... Instead of just spam or repeats.... Thanks for spicin it up a bit


To add more:


I suppose this could be compared to the common stereotype/expectation..... For example:

My school isn't really that great..... And the graduation rate is really horrible...... Many people as a result of this, limit themselves by either not going to college or dropping out, or making mediocre grades in the classes that they do take...... Thus, not fullying maximizing their potential...... However, the kids that usually are able to excel are the gifted kids, who make good grades and create a bright future for themselves...... When the "average joe" looks upon the gifted kid..... He'll usually either make fun of the kid or just ignore the opprotunities to excel himself (such as tutoring, studying or in my schools case, the reading movement that takes time OUT OF CLASS to read)


Bottom line is, don't be that Average Joe...... No matter how hard you have to work, it's worth exceling yourself as a bboy and maximizing your potential..... Being open to new ideas, concepts.... Using your resources (i.e. youtube, bboy.org, bboyworld, television)..... Don't be one dimensional by looking down on the dude who expresses himself differently and views bboying differently than you or your group of friends do..... By doing this, you can offer a different perspective to the community and expand the artform, thus encouraging others (the generation after yours and newer guys coming up) to do the same.....


**Remember...... It's still important to pay homage to the pioneers and learn the history though


Hopefully again I didnt sound like a tool.... This right here is a very touchy subject


Peace