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03-22-2007, 04:05 AM
Today I bought The Little Capoeira Book by Nestor Capoeira, but I'm wondering if I should read it.
Since I really like my bboying and everthing.
I just have this odd fear that if I do learn it(possibly) would it be affected in a capoeira-like style?
I love bboying a lot, and I'm just wondering if I can do this for fun without affecting my bboying.
What I'm trying to ask is: By learning Capoeira would it mix with my bboying?
Any Capoeira bboys that just try to keep them seperate??
K thx.
P.S. Yes I know reading a book won't really affect anything, I'm just asking hypothetically if by learning Dance/Martial Arts, would it affect another dance, or will I be concious of keeping them seperate.
Sorry If I'm talking so much, just wondering.
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03-22-2007, 05:06 AM
IMHO, it wouldnt matter because there's no set way for u to dance. in fact, i think picking up capoeira might actually benefit your bboying because it helps u add style and uniqueness to your dance
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03-22-2007, 05:49 AM
im teaching my friend who has been doing capoeira for ages how to break (well im trying to teach =p ) yeeh he looks very uneasy..kinda coz he is so built but he is still learning to dance thats the only reason why
and i doing martial arts shudnt have a negative effect on bboying from what i know
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03-22-2007, 06:22 AM
Naw it shouldn't effect your bboying negatively I took classes and it helps with transitions and freezes. The rhythm and tempo is different so just take that into consideration while learning like Ginga and Tops are very different but similar.
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03-22-2007, 05:52 PM
why would capoeira affect your dancing? they are two different things.
if you think they're similar and are closely related then you are confused and so is anyone else who replies after this to say they are connected.
if you took tap dance lessons, then tried karate that wouldn't affect anything.
if it affects what you do it's only because you let it affect you.
If anyone has no clue what my point is or what i'm talkin about then it is pointless for you to respond to this post and say "they are related"
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03-23-2007, 04:41 PM
There's been a debate between bboys and capoeristas about bboying developing from capoeria. I have not researched the history of capoeria enough to agree or disagree with it. From what I know so far from the Capoeria side is that the moves being demonstrated by both sides like handspins and certain freezes where being done at the sametime when bboyin was being discovered by the mainstream media when the bboys were taking it to the ground. The reason I say they are similar is because you are supposed to connect all of your moves together from your ginga and hit them on beat. For example ginga, cartwheel, L-kick and those moves are supposed to be done on beat. Capoeria I think is the only martial art that requires music when two people are demonstrating it. I do see a person point of view when they say they are not related by one being a dance and the other being a martial art. The moves are done for different reasons. This debate can take up so many pages and I won't go any further with it unless a capoerista joins in the debate.
I'll elaborate more on capoeria and how it can help you bboyin. When you do all of your moves you are told to always keep an eye on your opponent. So when you do a handstand instead of looking at your hands you are told to keep your eye on your opponent.
How that is related to bboyin is when you battle all of your moves are directed toward the person you are battling.
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03-24-2007, 05:52 AM
Dribbles, your smart.
K grr, I'm still not sure, but I'm still reading it. (Yeah me friend says the book pretty general, not too detailed and etc. Yes, Off topic)
I really want to go all out on bboying, I'm just worried if I lose that time learning capoeria. Yes I'm a selfish bitch, but yeah that's how I feel.
Hmm, so If I have time off bboying, then capoeria? Yeah I think that'll work.
And now that I think about it, bboying probably did had some influence from capoeria. Since bboying is the mix of varies dances.
Bboying had some style from uprock, why not this?
Grr I really feel like talking about this, but yeah...just need a thread question answered, not much else.
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03-24-2007, 06:02 AM
It doesn't really matter. The only point in buying a book is to keep it on display as a trophy of your mental fortitude. Who cares if you actually read it?
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03-26-2007, 07:54 AM
I find that Capoeira helps conditioning your body for bboying.
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03-26-2007, 06:12 PM
In my opinion the two should be kept seperate. Capoeira helped my conditioning and strength but as far as moves go...one didn't really help the other. The more you study it, the more you find that the execution of the moves and how they are linked together, how they relate to music, etc. is entirely different from b-boying. Trying to link the two really dilutes both of the artforms and most of the time simply looks like a half-ass attempt at either.
As for Nestor Capoeira's books, I've gotten two of the them, the one you have and his second book, Capoeira: Roots of the Dance-Fight-Game. Both of them are good books, but as you might've guessed, the Little Capoeira Book is mainly just an introduction to the art. His second book is one of the better ones in terms of how deep it goes into the philosophy and history behind Capoeira, which in my opinion, are just as important if not more important than the moves. If you don't understand malandragem, you don't understand capoeira. Another good book is Capoeira: A Brazilian Art Form: History, Philosophy, and Practice by Bira Almeida (Mestre Acordeon). It's a much more personal account of Capoeira but still gives some excellent insight into the culture surrounding capoeira.
As for b-boying coming from capoeira...I'm from the camp that believes the two had no influence at all on each other. This is for several reasons, b-boying's roots lie far more with brooklyn rock which already existed about 10 years before the first schools began opening on the east coast in 1975, which is still years after b-boying became established at Kool Herc's parties. Besides that, many old school pioneers have been quoted as saying they never saw capoeira in any form until the past decade. Granted there are similarities, but that does not mean there is any connection between the two.
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03-26-2007, 06:35 PM
i used to do both a few years back. and my teacher wanted me to put more time into capoeira, but i didn't want to. i liked bboyin more so i gave up capo and focused on breakin.
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03-27-2007, 10:37 AM
"Lol, i just bought a book should i read it?" People come here for all sorts of crazy advice but that is the funniest. Also, people are saying that one won't effect the other which is probably true in this case. Boxers, however are advised not to swim too much as it changes muscle structure in a way that is not beneficial to their sport ... just a piece of info.
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