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The Limited VS The Unlimited Dancer. - 09-10-2006, 10:43 PM

Do you think that having a style limits one from progressing onto different moves? What is style? Is style repetative movements? Or is it how you execute different moves?

If a style consists of repetative moves, then one is limiting themselves in my opinion if they only have one style. Try all styles of dancing, not just breakdancing and one will be able to mix-match different styles.

With different styles one can express the music in a more unique way then anyone else on the floor.


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Limited dancing VS Unlimited Dancing.

Repetative movements VS Non-repetative movents

Bland same-old same-old VS Variety of different styles.
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The reason I brought this up.

1.Most breakdancing is done intense and high energy music. if you are used to only fast energy, when a slow paced song comes along you are screwed.

2. I see a lot of bboys/bgirls doing repetative movement. When i see repetative dance moves, I wonder: Is that person limiting themselves to only that type of style?


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09-10-2006, 10:56 PM

If you want to learn more than one style of dancing fine, if you want to mix styles, fine if you're at home or dancing with chumps.

If you're at a jam and you mix some popping or locking into the middle of a footwork set, you better either be in a cypher where nobody cares or able to make it look damn good.

Most style mixing=whackness. There are a few exceptions but for the most part, styles should NOT be mixed.

Bboying is limited in one sense and yet unlimited in the sense that there's always other things that you can bring to the dance from within your own personality.

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09-11-2006, 01:00 AM

Thank you Jz; someone that understands. B-Boying is bboying.

 

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09-11-2006, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by bboyjz View Post
If you want to learn more than one style of dancing fine, if you want to mix styles, fine if you're at home or dancing with chumps.

If you're at a jam and you mix some popping or locking into the middle of a footwork set, you better either be in a cypher where nobody cares or able to make it look damn good.

Most style mixing=whackness. There are a few exceptions but for the most part, styles should NOT be mixed.

Bboying is limited in one sense and yet unlimited in the sense that there's always other things that you can bring to the dance from within your own personality.

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ok.. - 09-11-2006, 05:37 AM

What if you where to switch styles in the middle of the dance?

Say the wave for instance. In one part of the song you could be doing liquid. In a later part of the same song you could be doing the robot. In another you could be doing some tricky top-rock with some hand movement. Would that person that did all that be FunKeY FreSh? or would they be WhacK?

What if a person could do half their body liquid, and half their body robot. Or maybeh they could mix and match between liquid and robot. What if they somehow where able to make mix-match styles look good? Like you said in some instance mixing styles look good. The combinations in which you dance to are limitless.

Dancing is only limited to what you limit yourself to. If your moves reflect your personality.... do you really have a creative and unique personality if your moves are repetative? Bring something new to the table.

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I'm not sure if we're saying the same thing, but I think we are.

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09-11-2006, 06:21 AM

No idea about funk styles but mixing it into bboying looks stupid and ends up with you having sloppy technique. Just try to get your bboying in order before asking hypothetical questions, you're not really going to learn anything and i'm guessing your skills aren't developed enough that you look good doing ANY of these styles yet for you to even CONSIDER mixing.

Just get off the internet, get off your ass and get to practicing, when you've mastered all these styles then maybe come talk to us about mixing styles but for now, just stick to one thing, it looks terrible when newbs mix styles, even when seasoned vets do it. You'll look whack 90% of the time.

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09-11-2006, 07:48 AM

get a grip!
Its not wrong to put in funkstyle moves in bboying... If you do it rigth it looks really tight... Its all about how you do it,,, like with everything else.... there are e lot of tight examples... expression crew from Korea has funkstyle in some moves,,, even crazylegs from back in the days has some funkstyle in his toprock..

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09-11-2006, 09:22 AM

Yeah but like you've just pointed out unwillingly, these cats are at the top of their game and most of them do this in cyphers, the exception of course being darkness doing his ticking whilst in a handstand.

This cat is young, probably doesn't know either style very well and shouldn't be mixing styles when he probably has mastered neither.

The dances are very defined nowadays, all i want to ask is why would this guy want to use other styles when the dance he's focusing on now has so much to it? The answer is that he's probably lazy or can't think of anything else and so is padding it out with other styles, the latter option and more unlikely one is that he's trying to be "unique".

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... - 09-11-2006, 12:09 PM

First of all Bboy JZ you are assuming that I'm a nub dancer, perhaps that is true any way you look at it. I've been dancing for atleast 4 years now, and I love to listen to the flow and beat of the music and match it move for rythm. I'm experimenting making my own unique style of dancing. Somebody had to come up with the windmill and the air flare and all that cool shit. You can't ever be truly creative just by following in somebody's footsteps. Make your own path. Make your own moves. Develop your OWN style. I practice as much as I can without damaging my body.

Maybeh I dont know what I'm talking about... so what, but what I do know is how to dance and I'm getting better... that is fo serious.
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09-11-2006, 12:21 PM

I never said you couldn't mix, i'm saying don't bring that shit to a jam or a battle cause most judges will mark you down and/or think you have no knowledge of the dance. People who come to jams don't come to see a strange mix of breaking moves and popping or whatever, they come to see either bboying or popping. The same goes for uprock, cause like we've said time and time again, most of the time you'll end up looking whack or like you're padding out your arsenal. Master one first, then combine.

Like i said, if you are cyphering or at a club, go for it but most bboys will look at you funny and you'll probably end up just confusing yourself. The last thing is that most of these styles don't even mix together well as the movement patterns and fundamentals are so vastly different from each other that even alot of funkstylists don't try to mix different styles into their sets because it becomes confused and loses its flow.

Do what you want but if i see cats doing stuff like that, they're tricking, not bboying as far as i can see.

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... - 09-11-2006, 12:38 PM

One is obviously limiting themselves if they say they "master" something. One never masters anything. There is always something more a person can learn. There is always something more one can improve on.

So judges look for clean-cut moves in bboying, k. Thats exactly like Armed Exhibition drill in the military with the judges looking for clean cut, timed moves.

Armed exhibition is closely related to the robot/ poppin n lockin.


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So bboyin is bboyin and Cypering is cypering. Thats great. I guess I prefer cyphering.

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09-11-2006, 01:08 PM

I always thought of bboyin of more of doing your own thing, i never knew it had rules and all that shit! I though someone is aloud to do capoeira on the dance floor, like aloud to do their own thing (but within reason, u are breakdancing of course). Basically I thought bboyin was alot more free than how your putting it, and no im not asking if it looks good but if its acceptable.
 

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... - 09-11-2006, 03:46 PM

Well you get a strict set of rules when in competition by the judges... the judges are looking for clean cut moves, breakdance moves like a windmill, variety, and most likely originality.

So even in a dance with rules, the only limitation is the genre of dancing you are performing. You can't just walk onto the floor and do the waltz, but you can add stuff to the bboying to make it original.


If you ask me, a well rounded omni dancer can do any kind of dance move. When you know a lot about every dance and stuff like that, you can get really creative with what you know. Knowledge is the human resource that feeds creativity and imagination.


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09-11-2006, 08:22 PM

Have you actually createrd anything new? Have you added on ANYTHING new to the "style mixing" that you're advancing?

There's nothing original about taking two styles that are both well established, mixing them in together without changing either of them and then calling it "original". Bboys like Crazylegs and others in RSC were pioneering a dance and sure they had influences, but they actually made their own stuff up instead of straight up biting and mixing styles.

Your sort of rationale is what makes krumpers believe their dance is "original". I'm not sure why you're so intent on mixing styles but whatever, have fun with it.

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09-16-2006, 06:19 PM

There's no way serious krumpers culd believe their dance is "original". I mean it is in a sense (as in not bein done before, supposedly)...but its jus an aggressive evolution of poppin! Hell they even got some lockin in there! Throw in some uprock style burns n' dat sums up krumpin. I aint knockin on it..i think its dope...but it aint PURELY original...its jus an original mix. Do krumpers fa real think their dance is "original" tho? Peace n' Love
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