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Just to get this straight -
01-03-2006, 05:02 PM
ok, dont get mad at me for not knowing, its better asking then not knowing right? i really want to be sure about all this
ok, the 4 Hip Hop elements are: Bboying, Dj-ing, Mc-ing and Graffiti, right? (if im not right, correct me plz)
what about Funkstyle? popping etc? so that is not a part of the 4 hip hop elements? and you hear about "hip-hop dance" at dance studios, is that just a mix up of funkstyle and freestyle or something?
like i said, i want to get this straight
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01-03-2006, 05:18 PM
don't know why they excluded poppin & lockin
but to me they're still part of the elements
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01-03-2006, 05:38 PM
there WAS 4 main elements of hiphop, theres upwards to about nine or something now
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01-03-2006, 05:50 PM
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there WAS 4 main elements of hiphop, theres upwards to about nine or something now
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wow, seriously?? I know there's beatboxing, popping, and locking
but what's the other two ? |
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01-03-2006, 05:54 PM
heres what wiggles had to say about the idea of four elements
IT WAS A NICE SLOGAN FOR A WHILE. BUT IT IS JUST NOT THE TRUTH. THAT WAS A PHRASE THAT ROCK STEADY CREW USED TO HELP BRING MORE ATTENTION TO LESSER KNOWN ELEMENTS. BUT IN REALITY THERE ARE OVER A DOZEN OR SO ELEMENTS THAT SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED.
BEAT BOXIN, FINDING BREAKS, FASHION, PRODUCTION IS NOW AN ELEMENT, PROMOTING A JAM, MAKING THE FLYERS FOR JAMS BECAME AN ART FORM, ECT. THESE ARE ALL SMALL BUT VITAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR GREAT CULTURE.
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01-03-2006, 06:02 PM
yes , i like to call them sub-elements. although someone from the west coast might disagree. so why did they exclude funk styles. i guess because bboying just got more popular faster. and because new york was the first to establish itself as the home of hip hop.
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01-03-2006, 06:18 PM
because funk n bboyin are completely different....funk styles was almost a different culture back than, it still is in its own way if u ask me
its not directly related. its more mixed in
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01-03-2006, 06:41 PM
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heres what wiggles had to say about the idea of four elements
IT WAS A NICE SLOGAN FOR A WHILE. BUT IT IS JUST NOT THE TRUTH. THAT WAS A PHRASE THAT ROCK STEADY CREW USED TO HELP BRING MORE ATTENTION TO LESSER KNOWN ELEMENTS. BUT IN REALITY THERE ARE OVER A DOZEN OR SO ELEMENTS THAT SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED.
BEAT BOXIN, FINDING BREAKS, FASHION, PRODUCTION IS NOW AN ELEMENT, PROMOTING A JAM, MAKING THE FLYERS FOR JAMS BECAME AN ART FORM, ECT. THESE ARE ALL SMALL BUT VITAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR GREAT CULTURE.
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"MAKING THE FLYERS FOR JAMS BECAME AN ART FORM"
"BEAT BOXIN"
personally i think that beatboxing should fall under the MCing category. IM NOT SAYING THEY ARE THE SAME, i am saying that they are both mouth stuff and should fall under one category.
and the making flyers thing, i think that should fall under Graffiti cuz its both "paint" art in a way
i dont what "finding breaks" is...
but this is just my thought on this, dont take me serious and start flaming me
i think some1 should make a stickied thread in Word Up explaining the elements of Hip Hop etc and maybe in the end have a history of hip hop |
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01-03-2006, 06:44 PM
its all sub cats if u ask me
emcee, u got beatboxing
graff, u got artwork on flyers
turntables, u got finding breaks
the reason its their own now adays is because there is even a big thing for JUST that category. there are people who STRICTLY do these things, promote, do artwork for flyers. its no longer one in the same
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01-03-2006, 07:30 PM
yeah youre right, now how about that stickied thread?
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01-03-2006, 07:32 PM
Never works, people dont look...
if i can sit down with some of the other guys who know a lot, like stiff and come up with a comprehensive post, ill do it
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01-03-2006, 09:23 PM
according to Style Wars, a graffiti movie made in the eighties, Rap is the spoken form of hip-hop...Breaking is the acrobatic body movement form...and Graffiti is the Written word, This all makes sence to me...I dont know if this is relevent...just throwing in my two cents...
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01-03-2006, 09:35 PM
i love that dvd! lol *freepost*
but yeah, i think that there is essentially the four elements of hip hop and like others have sed, different forms of interpreting these foundations have surfaced, but i would still categorise the 'sub-elements' under the 'four elements of hip hop.'
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01-04-2006, 12:15 AM
I guess you could break it into vocals, instrumentals, art, and movement--but that sounds to textbook to me.
It really isn't something that you can define--it isn't something you even need to define. When you know it, you know it--if it could be just layed out all in words like a math formula anybody could be it just by copying the formula--but we all know you can't really get there like that.
Yeah you may copy moves, and styles, and anything else--but regarless of whether you're copying or being totally origional, it's obvious when you really got it--amd when you don't.
It's like what's in your signature, VIVA--I don't wan't Michelangelo's soul takin' over my hand, I wan't my own soul to do it just as true to myself as he was to himself.
Every outward thing can be copied and faked, but not the soul--and that's what defines it.
I like the other two comments in your sig though.
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