[xlunatic]

haha woot.. twixx lives really close to me.. he also works really really close to me. im cool xD .. actually im not im stupid for saying that. i dunno i havent seen any massive battles(with the exception of twixx aka j.d. do incredible hollows on the skating rink floor) but im going to their jam this saturday at jefferson so i'll hopefully see jeromskee.

[Desi Boogie]

Originally posted by No-Flo You haven't seen anywhere near enough of him to say that kind of shit. How ignorant, he definitely has more than 2 blow-ups Yet another extremely ignorant comment, is that honestly what you see from him? a couple of six-steps and a pike? Looks to me like you have no appreciation for the dance what so ever. Who are you to decide what's necessary to be an international bboy? Are YOU an international bboy? Didn't think so. Are you even a bboy at all? You want to compare him to hong 10 now? When it comes to dancing jerome is on a whole other level to him, he would tear hong10 to pieces. Just like hong 10 would rip jerome when it comes to moves. They both specialize in different areas, the reason you don't like jerome is because you can't appreciate just how unique he is, when he throws down all you see is like you said "toprock sets and six-steps". Anyone can enjoy flashy moves, it takes other dancers to fully appreciate style. I don't see why you're targeting jeromeski, it's obvious he's not the most alll rounded bboy in the world but he's still alot more all rounded than many others. Don't you have better things to do than talk shit about real bboys? Why don't you focus on YOUR skills? Judging from your posts im guessing they arn't up to shit, speaking of which how long exactly have you been dancing?

Okay, nice to get some feedback from yet another of bboy.org's most confrontational members. I'm not being stupid, i saw the variation and unique style in his moves but i'm just saying that from the footage i HAVE seen he's really not well rounded at all.

He's good when it comes to dancing? So you're going to say that based on his solid toprock and clean footwork he's an awesome dancer because of it? Get a clue man, this is a dance unto itself and to DANCE PROPERLY TO A HIGH STANDARD you need to have down ALL THE ELEMENTS not just toprocking and footwork. If we followed your logic then i could justifiably say that any person with dope powermoves and some tech freezes is a dope dancer, nevermind rokcing and footwork.

Get over yourself man, you're not the be all and end all of dancing. I don't care if you're good, i'm simply offering my personal opinion on a dancer who show's some real holes in his bboying. In the three events i've seen him in (2 of which were international jams, one vs P.S and the other vs Pokemon) he's yet to show any real variation in his moves has demonstrated all of 2 blowups and one airchair and a baby freeze.

Now don't correct me on shit when you have no idea. Cause it doesn't matter how well you "dance" (which you've suddenly decided only includes toprock and footwork) what matters at the end of it is how well you incorporate and flow all the elements.

Take a look at his partner Twixx from the same crew. He shows the same aptitude at toprock (just as stylish even if it isn't as hard hitting or unique) is almost as good with the footwork and shows much better blowups, better style, some actual flips and all around actually uses ALL THE ELEMENTS.

Get the fuck off your high horse, if you're gonna be an international bboy you need to have all the elements down. I'll say the same for KYS from Gambler, even if he does have dope power the man is not bboying, he's powermoving.

Would you prefer it if we did it all your way and just praised a bboy for what he CAN do rather than what he has failed to incorporate?

"Oh look Hong 10, that boy has some lovely six stepping, he sure did burn you. He may only have teched out footwork, but let's not call him on his fundamental misunderstanding of the dance and failure to appreciate all the elements, instead let's call him 'unique' and attack anyone who dares to challenge the absence of power, toprock or freezes in his bboying"

Like i said, it doesn't matter how "unique" a bboy is, if he is performing at the highest level of a sport HE NEEDS TO HAVE ALL THE ELEMENTS DOWN TO SOME STANDARD. And i'm sorry but jeromeski just doesn't have it.

As for your comment about my dancing, i'm not incredible, but after about 5 months i wouldn't expect to be. I haven't been able to attend classes because of a little thing called final school exams and the need to go to university.

You know what? F*ck it, why don't you go and fellate jeromeski and reassure him that his lack of overall ability is made up for by your arbitrarily bestowed virtue of "uniqueness"

Idiot,
Peace

[artoooor]

hahah o man...jeromskee is sick...well IMO...he is a well rounded bboy...he was just in vancouver a few days ago practicing at one of the spots that i practice at...hes known for his style and his battle attitude...and the dude has power he just doesnt use it in battles cuz he doesnt have to

oh and i think the best member of massive is juse boogie

[artoooor]

Originally posted by No-Flo You guys are fucking trippin, jeromeskee always kills it. I agree his moves arn't all that difficult (except for his stab freeze push up holding leg thing) but he always throws down hard. His sets clean, he rarely messes up and rides the beat with so much energy. Def one of mm's top bboys.

oh yea...that move isnt that difficult..its actually really easy..i tried it one day when i was just fucking around (didnt mean to bite)..but the way he gets into it from a headstand is pretty dope

[Anubis2002]

yea he throws down hard each time, but like i said, i dont like him n its personal opinion. everyone as long as they can back up why they think something is entitled to their opinion

[No-Flo]

Now don't correct me on shit when you have no idea. Cause it doesn't matter how well you "dance" (which you've suddenly decided only includes toprock and footwork) what matters at the end of it is how well you incorporate and flow all the elements.

Speak for yourself you hard headed know it all cunt. What makes you think YOU have any idea what you're talking about, you've been dancing for 5 months for fuck sake. I really don't understand what you are arguing here of course it's important to flow things together. Jeromeski does just that, there are alot of minor detail in his set you over look, for example his airfreeze - all you see is 6-step - pike - 6-step but do you see how well he flows it in. His set structure is excellent and yet another thing you don't appreciate.

Look, I understand how you feel the way you do on this issue. Most people have the same mentality after only 5 months. Every bboy has weaknesses, you picked jerome because of the simplicity of his moves, right? How about you post up a clip of yourself and we can point out your weaknesses? This isn't about pointing out why people shouldn't be battling internationally, like anubis said "massive do so well, so he must be doing something right" so show some fucking respect, he's at a level you could only dream about.

Take a look at his partner Twixx from the same crew. He shows the same aptitude at toprock (just as stylish even if it isn't as hard hitting or unique) is almost as good with the footwork and shows much better blowups, better style, some actual flips and all around actually uses ALL THE ELEMENTS.

Are you telling me flips are an element? haha ok captain planet why don't you name off the elements for me and while your at it tell me where you learnt about them. Or did you just think this up on your own?

Get the fuck off your high horse, if you're gonna be an international bboy you need to have all the elements down. I'll say the same for KYS from Gambler, even if he does have dope power the man is not bboying, he's powermoving.

This is one of your most stupid comments yet, you're now telling me KYS isnt all-rounded enough to be an international bboy? This man is pretty much the best powerhead in the world he would rip any crews powermovers on a good day, making him fucking devastating and often a turning point in battles. I'll agree being all-rounded is very important when it comes to 1 v 1 battles. With crews it is a whole different matter.

Like i said, it doesn't matter how "unique" a bboy is, if he is performing at the highest level of a sport HE NEEDS TO HAVE ALL THE ELEMENTS DOWN TO SOME STANDARD. And i'm sorry but jeromeski just doesn't have it.

Highest level of a sport? Here is the thing, these bboys arn't performing at the highest level of a sport. THIS IS A DANCE, a dance that you obviously don't understand yet.

Bboying is alot more complex than you think it's not just about combining all the "elements" together, like i said earlier there are many things you are over looking which you will start to notice more and more in the next few years (assuming you're still dancing by then) So while you're still learning about this dance I suggest you keep your criticism to yourself.

I'm not going to bother with these huge replies anymore, we're pretty much just arguing the same shit over and over. You're obviously far to stubborn to take my advice so i'm done here.

[Chucky]

hahaha owned. I wonder why he wont say how old he is or how long he has been breaking? maybe deep down inside he knows hes a toy. hahahahaha he thinks breakings a sport!!!!

Why are you saying what it takes to be an international bboy? when you throw your own event, you can bring in whatever shit "bboys" you want, until then talking shit about other peoples choices only because you clearly know NOTHING about bboying, even the most basic shit like what it actually is just makes you look stupid, stupid.

[Masochist]

BUUURRRNNN... I object to the use of the word cunt however.

[Desi Boogie]

Originally posted by No-Flo Speak for yourself you hard headed know it all cunt. What makes you think YOU have any idea what you're talking about, you've been dancing for 5 months for fuck sake. I really don't understand what you are arguing here of course it's important to flow things together. Jeromeski does just that, there are alot of minor detail in his set you over look, for example his airfreeze - all you see is 6-step - pike - 6-step but do you see how well he flows it in. His set structure is excellent and yet another thing you don't appreciate. You're wrong all over again. The dude deosn't flow his sets, in fact most of his stuff gets horribly confused when the beat shifts slightly and his footwork variations really aren't anything special. Once again there are much better bboys with much better sets than jermoski FOR EXAMPLE HONG 10 (idiot) If you're gonna have your personal opinion whatever, that's fine by me, but don't take the time to shit all over me cuase you're on a trip about "understanding the dance" His airfreeze also isn't anything special, another bboy already commented that he can do it easily and that it's not very advanced. Look, I understand how you feel the way you do on this issue. Most people have the same mentality after only 5 months. Every bboy has weaknesses, you picked jerome because of the simplicity of his moves, right? How about you post up a clip of yourself and we can point out your weaknesses? This isn't about pointing out why people shouldn't be battling internationally, like anubis said "massive do so well, so he must be doing something right" so show some fucking respect, he's at a level you could only dream about. This is not about me, the fact is that he's been dancing for years and has failed to vary his moves much between battles. If you want me to post up a vid of myself then whatever but this isn't about my skill or lack thereof this is about noticing that some bboys are really just lacking in the thing they claim to specialise at. He's just not varying his moves and it gets samey. If it's a crime to notice the shortcomings in bboys then why do we have a video section where you can comment on someone's technique and dancing ability? Are you telling me flips are an element? haha ok captain planet why don't you name off the elements for me and while your at it tell me where you learnt about them. Or did you just think this up on your own? So once again you've rummaged through my statement and decided that you found a loophole to point attention to? No, flips are not an element, those would be toprock, footwork, style and power (not sure i always get this stuff mixed up there's alot to remember and i'm fried after exams today) And i learnt about them from my teacher who has been bboying for 25 years and refined some of my knowledge using this site. However i consider being able to actually dance more important than being able to go "oh that's power blah blah, what a sweet airbaby to airtrack to blah blah" but whatever gets you going man. This is one of your most stupid comments yet, you're now telling me KYS isnt all-rounded enough to be an international bboy? This man is pretty much the best powerhead in the world he would rip any crews powermovers on a good day, making him fucking devastating and often a turning point in battles. I'll agree being all-rounded is very important when it comes to 1 v 1 battles. With crews it is a whole different matter. I agree that with crews it's a different matter because diff members can specialise with different moves. I noticed you failed to include my hong 10 comment, maybe because you realise that hong 10 is way out of jeromski's league in terms of overall skill and bboying talent. As for KYS he may be an awesome powermover but he's still not bboying to the standard he should. What we have here is a divergence in opinion. You seem to think that in crew battles dancers don't need to be well rounded all the time (which is party true and meritorious somewhat) whereas i advocate a return to learning all the elements (like my teacher used to do when he toured with rocksteady and i ain't shitting you he did "bboy wizard" is his name but he's not well known nowadays) Highest level of a sport? Here is the thing, these bboys arn't performing at the highest level of a sport. THIS IS A DANCE, a dance that you obviously don't understand yet. Sorry bout that, i was kinda half asleep and pre-occupied when i wrote this. Yes it is a dance, yes i do understand but the whole competitive element of bboying was on my mind and i made a nasty slip. Get off my ass i know what this dance is about, i don't have to justify myself to you Bboying is alot more complex than you think it's not just about combining all the "elements" together, like i said earlier there are many things you are over looking which you will start to notice more and more in the next few years (assuming you're still dancing by then) So while you're still learning about this dance I suggest you keep your criticism to yourself. So suddenly there's these mystical elements that i've not heard about? I notice that you didn't actually elaborate at all which could indicate that 1. you're talking out of your ass or 2. you think that "a lowly newb" like me doesn't deserve it. In either case you're being a douche bag and last time i checked apart from being an art form and complex dance there's not much more to bboying. I love it, i dream about it each night (for the last 5 nights actually) and i do it most days for at least half an hour or more but it's not a theology and it's by far not a fucking philosophy (apart from the philosophical thoughts of some bboys) so be quiet, the so called esoteric info you're alluding to doesn't exist moron I'm not going to bother with these huge replies anymore, we're pretty much just arguing the same shit over and over. You're obviously far to stubborn to take my advice so i'm done here.

At what point did you give any advice? The only thing i could discern from the huge pile of malodorous invective trash you left here was a whole hearted attempt to use my lack of dancing prowess to indicate that somehow i don't understand the dance. Well in surmising i can see that jeromski is an interesting, somewhat unique but nevertheless bland bboy (skills wise)-and yes you did change my opinion somewhat but that doesn't mean i'm a hypocrite it just means that i'm not as much of a pig headed assface as you. The fact remains though that you haven't demonstrated that he has a good repertoire and you've just gone on to arbitrarily decide that being "unique" as you put it makes him awesome while poking fun at the somewhat general statments i've made.

Congratulations captain ass you've learnt how to utilise polemics, now maybe you can actually back up your arguments sometime in the future because you've still failed to elucidate or enlighten the very person you're trying discredit on how if in any way he is wrong. Hopefully next time you try to give me "advice" you can actually make an argument that makes sense and point out how jeromski is actually good?

You've alluded to him being a good dancer then dropped it when i commented about dancing being more than just rocking and footwork. You've talked about me simplifying the moves despite i acknowledged that his moves are fairly clean and vary somewhat but you still haven't acknowledged that he isn't all rounded. Finally you've bumped heads with me constantly without realising that we're advocating different approaches to bboying. Once again on behalf of assface productions i gotta say a job well done in missing the point completely.

Peace

[Chucky]

trust me... nobody understands the dance in 5 months. Just acknowledge that you cant understand what you cant understand. And you can never understand without listening, all you have been doing is talking.

[Vice President]

lol bboyjz... you're not helping your case by using a bunch of big words improperly

[smashytrashy]

i go to bboy.org and read threads when i want to cry.

[i_efx]

haha. the thing about jeromskee is that he doesn't need big blowups and that shit. he's got other members of his crew backing him. his specialty is mainly working the beat. massive as a whole is fucking dope because of the variety they bring, and because each member actually dances. that's what separates them from most of the other crews. their group sets are dope as fuck too.

[Desi Boogie]

Originally posted by Vice President lol bboyjz... you're not helping your case by using a bunch of big words improperly

I'm not using them improperly. I actually know how to use them and i'm using them in this case because the dolt doesn't take me seriously. Honestly though i'm over it cause i can see his side of it and i can see my own. I have to admit most humbly that no-flo has got some good points for the most part. I still stick by my personal dislike of jeromski and that's my prerogative and preference.

Peace

[Pommy from sorc]

Haha you did misuse some of them (or you just had bad rhetoric / grammar)

Originally posted by bboyjz [..] Congratulations captain ass you've learnt how to utilise polemics, now maybe you can actually back up your arguments sometime in the future because you've still failed to elucidate or enlighten the very person you're trying discredit on how if in any way he is wrong. Hopefully next time you try to give me "advice" you can actually make an argument that makes sense and point out how jeromski is actually good?

You elucidate something, not someone. Elucidate means to make clear. You meant "elucidate for or ... as to ..."

You've alluded to him being a good dancer then dropped it when i commented about dancing being more than just rocking and footwork. [..]

An allusion is like an implied reference .. better word choice would be like 'held him as'. "Alluding" doesn't really tie into what you're trying to say because that would imply that he was doing it subtly, and you're pointing that out or commenting on the fact, when really you're commenting on his position, so how it was brought out (which was actually pretty blatant) is irrelevant.


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Well in surmising i can see that jeromski is an interesting, somewhat unique but nevertheless bland bboy (skills wise)

You can't use "surmising" like that. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. Surmising means like, inferring. "Well in inferring I can see that..." .. what are you inferring? Why do you have to infer to see the stuff (I think you mean analyzing? Observing? Taking into account?)