Loose Shoulders

TheSnoo · **Loose Shoulders -** 04-26-2005, 12:03 AM

I'm sure there are some bboys out here who have what some people might call double jointed shoulders when they aren't. Instead it is similar to double jointed except involving the rotating socket joint...I think (note: this might be what is shown in the Lethal Weapon movies by Mel Gibson).

Anyway, I have this problem and it prevents me from doing some breaking moves which really sucks ass first off. For example if I land ridiculusly hard or wrong on one of my arms (especially the left bcuz it isn't as strong), it will go out of socket for a brief moment and shoot back in. Intense overwhelming pain sweeps over me for up to 5 minutes followed by internal heat swelling which eases the pain. For the rest of that day my shoulders won't hurt all that bad, and I'll be capable of doing stuff on them. Still, however, the following morning when I wake up it is sore as hell. And depending on how hard it went out of socket, it will be sore for like 2 days to a week lessening every day.

One move I cannot attempt seriously is 1990 (also 2000), and that sucks bcuz I happen to be able to feel the myself doing the move even though I can't. I can do counterclockwise on my right arm but not the conventional way. Everytime I come near to doing a 1990 like that, if it is slow moving, I feel my shoulder begin to slide out, but it holds for the rest of the spin (maybe 1 spin btw). One time I tried to do a fast 1990 and actually hit it right but the second all my weight was on the right arm it slammed out of socket hardcore. I was out for the week. I knew if it hadn't of went out I woulda spun well that time. And just thinking of doing an invert makes me croak. I havn't even attempted that.

I went to the doctor one day for a different reason but asked him about the shoulder condition. He was actually astonished--near freaked when I showed him sliding my shoulders around. The best advice he could give me was that doing certain things on the arms will cause stress in certain areas, and when that area is my shoulder, it will rely on a mixture of bone strength and muscle strength. If it has to rely too heavily on bone strength, then it will go out. So I'm virtually screwed, except building my shoulder muscle strength should slowly enable me to put more awkward force on my shoulders. I hope that this is true atleast. It makes sense to me, for I am able to do things I couldn't do long ago. Hell when I first began, my shoulder might of gone out of socket from a simple handstand.

Does anybody through something like this have any suggestions or general input on this topic? I would be most delighted to hear it.

bboyMarco · 04-26-2005, 12:12 AM

I really don't know what to tell you i don't have that type of problem. But here's some exercises. They'll help you strectch, warm up and help it heal.

Exercises:

Pendulum Swings:

Leaning over the edge of a table and supporting your body weight with the uninjured arm, gently swing your injured arm:

Side to side.

In circles.

Forward and backwards.

Over time, increase the distance you swing your arm as pain allows.

Repeat 20 times in each direction.

Shrugs: Stand with your arms by your side. Lift your shoulders up to your ears and hold for 1 second. Then pull your shoulders back pinching your shoulder blades together. Hold for 1 second. Relax your shoulders and repeat 20 times.

Supine Punches: Lie on your back with your arms pointing straight to the ceiling. Lift your shoulders off the ground 3 inches without bending your elbows. Lower your shoulders back to the ground. Repeat 30 times.

soviet · 04-27-2005, 05:39 PM

i'm surprised that's all your doctor said

I had loose shoulders awhile ago and I got sent straight to physical therapy the first time I subluxated/dislocated it (it popped itself back in by itself)...see a physical therapist who'll make you workout (which sucks but that's what you need), and it'll tighten up your shoulder, and if you're still young and growing, it'll recover with time and following your physical therapist's advice

TheSnoo · 04-28-2005, 03:50 PM

Aye, soviet

I'm 20 so I'm sure my shoulders are done growing. I didn't think it was that serious. When they pop out they go back in everytime except one time when I was in my car reaching back picking up a stack of books with my shoulder in a twisted position. That time it stayed out and I had to force it back in. It hurt like crazy. Not fun

Do these exercises build strictly muscles surounding the shoulder to make everything more compact--less flexibility so there's a less chance for them to pop out of socket?

soviet · 04-28-2005, 09:29 PM

the doctors I went to were pretty ambigious about it when I inquired about whether it reduces flexibility or not

the only thing I can really pin down for certain is this: you can "subluxate"- partial dislocation that will still hurt like a bitch and two thirds times the inverse tangent of one eighth multipled by pi and then divided by the sine of 30 degrees; you can also complete dislocate that bitch entirely. in that case, you're screwed.

as far as the exercises go on the other hand, what they have you do is work out using a variety of weights, equipment and so on. it's not a heavy workout, you will feel some burn, but the underlying reason behind it is to strengthen your entire arm. if you strength your entire arm, it will hold your shoulder in place and make it less prone to popping out like babies out of redneck hick cousin marrying uteruses (uterii?). but I digress. they also had me do the exercises for both arms, I guess if you have one loose shoulder it's probably genetic and your other shoulder isn't exactly chilling and drinking 40's either, it's loose too. so go to your doctor, ask about that stuff, ask about physical therapy, get that fixed. I know how it feels, it hurts like hell. and one last note- this probably doesn't apply but if the reason for your shoulder problems involves a ripped rotator cuff, good luck with that- that involves surgically tightening up your shoulder or something or other, which'll put you out of commission for a few months but at least your shoulder won't be emo and committing suicide every other month.

TheSnoo · 04-29-2005, 10:34 AM

What a sense of humor

I've had both shoulders go out numerous times. To no surprise, my right side is dominant, so my left has gone out probably twice as much as my right even though I give the right side more stress overall. My right arm is noticeably stronger than my left even to the naked eye. I have begun the process of trying to catch my left side up but I fear it may never happen. This seems like good news in effort to building muscular strength in the shoulder region.

On a happy note, most of the time I'm able to save my shoulder from going out of socket if the occurence isn't too swift for me to catch. Many times for example I've been on one arm twisting or something and it begins to slide slowly on the rotator so I'll just come down immediately.

soviet · 08:30 PM

I don't think you should even play around with it to the point that it has a chance of coming out of the joint, just see a doctor or physical therapist right away, that's not good, you're probably prone to having it pop out of the joint/socket/whatever have you at that junction just lifting heavy objects, groceries, playing certain sports, sleeping on it funny, really anything and everything remotely involving your shoulders...don't bother, get medical attention, it's not worth the risk of it happening again.

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TheSnoo Registered User Respect: 1 Posts: 31 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington	Loose Shoulders - 04-26-2005, 12:03 AM I'm sure there are some bboys out here who have what some people might call double jointed shoulders when they aren't. Instead it is similar to double jointed except involving the rotating socket joint...I think (note: this might be what is shown in the Lethal Weapon movies by Mel Gibson). Anyway, I have this problem and it prevents me from doing some breaking moves which really sucks ass first off. For example if I land ridiculusly hard or wrong on one of my arms (especially the left bcuz it isn't as strong), it will go out of socket for a brief moment and shoot back in. Intense overwhelming pain sweeps over me for up to 5 minutes followed by internal heat swelling which eases the pain. For the rest of that day my shoulders won't hurt all that bad, and I'll be capable of doing stuff on them. Still, however, the following morning when I wake up it is sore as hell. And depending on how hard it went out of socket, it will be sore for like 2 days to a week lessening every day. One move I cannot attempt seriously is 1990 (also 2000), and that sucks bcuz I happen to be able to feel the myself doing the move even though I can't. I can do counterclockwise on my right arm but not the conventional way. Everytime I come near to doing a 1990 like that, if it is slow moving, I feel my shoulder begin to slide out, but it holds for the rest of the spin (maybe 1 spin btw). One time I tried to do a fast 1990 and actually hit it right but the second all my weight was on the right arm it slammed out of socket hardcore. I was out for the week. I knew if it hadn't of went out I woulda spun well that time. And just thinking of doing an invert makes me croak. I havn't even attempted that. I went to the doctor one day for a different reason but asked him about the shoulder condition. He was actually astonished--near freaked when I showed him sliding my shoulders around. The best advice he could give me was that doing certain things on the arms will cause stress in certain areas, and when that area is my shoulder, it will rely on a mixture of bone strength and muscle strength. If it has to rely too heavily on bone strength, then it will go out. So I'm virtually screwed, except building my shoulder muscle strength should slowly enable me to put more awkward force on my shoulders. I hope that this is true atleast. It makes sense to me, for I am able to do things I couldn't do long ago. Hell when I first began, my shoulder might of gone out of socket from a simple handstand. Does anybody through something like this have any suggestions or general input on this topic? I would be most delighted to hear it.


bboyMarco Underground Respect: 1 Posts: 535 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Bernardino	04-26-2005, 12:12 AM I really don't know what to tell you i don't have that type of problem. But here's some exercises. They'll help you strectch, warm up and help it heal. Exercises: Pendulum Swings: Leaning over the edge of a table and supporting your body weight with the uninjured arm, gently swing your injured arm: Side to side. In circles. Forward and backwards. Over time, increase the distance you swing your arm as pain allows. Repeat 20 times in each direction. Shrugs: Stand with your arms by your side. Lift your shoulders up to your ears and hold for 1 second. Then pull your shoulders back pinching your shoulder blades together. Hold for 1 second. Relax your shoulders and repeat 20 times. Supine Punches: Lie on your back with your arms pointing straight to the ceiling. Lift your shoulders off the ground 3 inches without bending your elbows. Lower your shoulders back to the ground. Repeat 30 times.


soviet Registered User Respect: 1.5 Posts: 1,009 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: nowhere	04-27-2005, 05:39 PM i'm surprised that's all your doctor said I had loose shoulders awhile ago and I got sent straight to physical therapy the first time I subluxated/dislocated it (it popped itself back in by itself)...see a physical therapist who'll make you workout (which sucks but that's what you need), and it'll tighten up your shoulder, and if you're still young and growing, it'll recover with time and following your physical therapist's advice


TheSnoo Registered User Respect: 1 Posts: 31 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington	04-28-2005, 03:50 PM Aye, soviet I'm 20 so I'm sure my shoulders are done growing. I didn't think it was that serious. When they pop out they go back in everytime except one time when I was in my car reaching back picking up a stack of books with my shoulder in a twisted position. That time it stayed out and I had to force it back in. It hurt like crazy. Not fun Do these exercises build strictly muscles surounding the shoulder to make everything more compact--less flexibility so there's a less chance for them to pop out of socket?


soviet Registered User Respect: 1.5 Posts: 1,009 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: nowhere	04-28-2005, 09:29 PM the doctors I went to were pretty ambigious about it when I inquired about whether it reduces flexibility or not the only thing I can really pin down for certain is this: you can "subluxate"- partial dislocation that will still hurt like a bitch and two thirds times the inverse tangent of one eighth multipled by pi and then divided by the sine of 30 degrees; you can also complete dislocate that bitch entirely. in that case, you're screwed. as far as the exercises go on the other hand, what they have you do is work out using a variety of weights, equipment and so on. it's not a heavy workout, you will feel some burn, but the underlying reason behind it is to strengthen your entire arm. if you strength your entire arm, it will hold your shoulder in place and make it less prone to popping out like babies out of redneck hick cousin marrying uteruses (uterii?). but I digress. they also had me do the exercises for both arms, I guess if you have one loose shoulder it's probably genetic and your other shoulder isn't exactly chilling and drinking 40's either, it's loose too. so go to your doctor, ask about that stuff, ask about physical therapy, get that fixed. I know how it feels, it hurts like hell. and one last note- this probably doesn't apply but if the reason for your shoulder problems involves a ripped rotator cuff, good luck with that- that involves surgically tightening up your shoulder or something or other, which'll put you out of commission for a few months but at least your shoulder won't be emo and committing suicide every other month.


TheSnoo Registered User Respect: 1 Posts: 31 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington	04-29-2005, 10:34 AM What a sense of humor I've had both shoulders go out numerous times. To no surprise, my right side is dominant, so my left has gone out probably twice as much as my right even though I give the right side more stress overall. My right arm is noticeably stronger than my left even to the naked eye. I have begun the process of trying to catch my left side up but I fear it may never happen. This seems like good news in effort to building muscular strength in the shoulder region. On a happy note, most of the time I'm able to save my shoulder from going out of socket if the occurence isn't too swift for me to catch. Many times for example I've been on one arm twisting or something and it begins to slide slowly on the rotator so I'll just come down immediately.


soviet Registered User Respect: 1.5 Posts: 1,009 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: nowhere	04-30-2005, 08:27 PM I don't think you should even play around with it to the point that it has a chance of coming out of the joint, just see a doctor or physical therapist right away, that's not good, you're probably prone to having it pop out of the joint/socket/whatever have you at that junction just lifting heavy objects, groceries, playing certain sports, sleeping on it funny, really anything and everything remotely involving your shoulders...don't bother, get medical attention, it's not worth the risk of it happening again. Last edited by soviet : 04-30-2005 at 08:30 PM.