[bboy.Sernish]

Me and my friend are having an argument about the originating of breakdance. He says that breakdance was inspired by capoeira, i strongly disagree, and for the argument show him all the history of breakdance on the net that i could find, where of course there is absolutely no mention to capoeira. My friend says that nobody really can prove it and as an argument shows me the obvious similarities between breakdance and capoeira. While obviously i don't deny that some of the moves, way later on, where somewhat copied from capoeira, i strongly stand my point that in the beginning breakdance had absolutely no relation to capoeira at all. So all of you out there who know something about both historys, can you help us out? No flamin, be as rational as possible please. thanks , peace

[Bboy airborn]

your wrong, hes right

[EngynNumbr9]

Breakin' was inspired and influenced by a number of arts, especially capoeira and kung-fu style martial arts. Not to say that breakin' wasn't purely a dance.

If you look at many of the moves, they're greatly influenced by many gymnastic and acrobatic techiniques.

What makes breaking apart from the influences is that it's a combination of different styles and arts... creating it into an entirely different art.

Engyn.

[Chucky]

Bboying was created all by itself. Bboys later incorperated things from everything into the bboying. The foundation will always remain the same, original.

[Hurricrane]

get the DVD history of the bboy-
you'll see without question that Capoera and all that stuff DID NOT INSPIRE BBOYING!

Bboying started in dj kool hercs house parties- where hiphop was born
he was the first dj to play a song that had a breakdown in it-were all the music dropped out and it was just the beat
the nigga twins started to do a dance different to everyone elses (top rock) It caught on and then SPY was the first one on the floor doin footwork-
Spy invented swipes, jojo invented the backspin, crazy legs accidently went too far in a backspin and made the windmill- trac 2 did gymnastics, and was the first to take flares from gymnastics to bboyin, then it got popular when featured in the movie 'flashdance'

then the west coast got involved, locking was invented and incorperated into bboyin- which by now was renamed by the media as breakdancing- lil cesear invented halo's from head rocks, and it goes on- only in the 90's did capoura moves come into bboying, and kung fu and lindy hop and james brown and the nicholas brothers and ononononon andon adn on!!!!

Bboyin started itself not fricken capo-crap (sure their similar but it's just a human instinct to get on the ground and spin-read my sig)- they just stole some of our moves when breakin became an international phenomenom in the 80's

so get the dvd 'the freshest kids' and shut up and learn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

airborn YOUR WRONG!

no disrespecting , I used ot think the same- but study your origins a bit and learn were we came from- or you don't deserve to call yourself a bboy

[RapmastaF-fresh]

Insipired and Influenced are such odd words; somthing can be infulenced by somthing without being insipired. Ohh that's confusing; never-the-less, breakdance did not DERIVE from capoeira.

-Your Friendly Neighborhood Rapmasta

[AlphaTrion]

Your friend is WRONG.

Capoiera was brought to america by people like Jelon Viera AFTER b-boying was already being influenced by uprocking and was well on it's way to being established.

The b-boys NEVER saw capoeira until much later. When an interviewer asked the Nigga Twins why they didn't give respect to capoeira for inspiring b-boying they said "Who's that? I don't know any 'capoeira' but if you introduce us to him we might remember him"


There are similarities in certain moves but the execution tends to be totally different.

[Anubis2002]

Honestly now, airborn dont be an idiot, or at least dont let us know your one.

The nigga twins own words, and they were around when it started, i got tracc 2 and legs saying they hadnt seen it yet until later...come on now

u got PROOF of why it wasnt created from that artform...and if u want to dynamics of it...look

bboyin was from rockin...then it slowly came to the ground and developed more moves. THATS when we started taking influence from other artforms and mixing it with ours, not before then....which means it was already created. Just because we have mutual moves doesnt mean one was created from the other..

u gonna try and tell me gymnasts came from this too, since they have some of the same moves...

[Bboy airborn]

ok fine, i admit i waz wrong

[Anubis2002]

yay! I'm proud of you! actually...most people cant do that lol

[da DMD]

Having not read anyone's replies, cuz im lazy, ima hav my say first
hip hop came round and people, some crazy one at dat, comes thru and makes up some crazy floorwork and a backspin ya kno

(aight dont fuk on me i dont do bboy history, im not that stupid)

and gradualy them bboy/breakaz/WTF??/ added moves that come from capoeira and gymnastics, cuz capo- is .... old... and gymnastics is .... old... and yeah...

the point is, WHO BLOODY WELL CARES WHERE BBOYING ORIGINATED FROM?? just be glad its here in the first place... .

peace lil boyz

[Hurricrane]

Originally posted by da DMD
the point is, WHO BLOODY WELL CARES WHERE BBOYING ORIGINATED FROM?? just be glad its here in the first place... .
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[Anubis2002]

simply because if u forget where u come from, ur nothing

[erock_BIS_NY]

Originally posted by da DMD
Having not read anyone's replies, cuz im lazy, ima hav my say first
hip hop came round and people, some crazy one at dat, comes thru and makes up some crazy floorwork and a backspin ya kno

(aight dont fuk on me i dont do bboy history, im not that stupid)

and gradualy them bboy/breakaz/WTF??/ added moves that come from capoeira and gymnastics, cuz capo- is .... old... and gymnastics is .... old... and yeah...

the point is, WHO BLOODY WELL CARES WHERE BBOYING ORIGINATED FROM?? just be glad its here in the first place... .

peace lil boyz

nope, you gotta know what you're getting into, you can't represent something you don't know about...knowing the history and the roots of bboying is very important

"how you gonna be down with something that you dont even know what its all about"

I'd just like ta add my 2-cents-->
I do both capoiera and BBoyin, and know quite a bit of the history of both. Cap ( ima shorten it) Was invented in brazil. The slaves there needed to learn how to fight, but for obvious reasons, they could not train themselves in a conventional manner. Instead they invented a new fighting form and incorporated it into a dance. Everything in Cap is very much so planned and set out, Opponent A sees Opponent B's move and uses a designated move or one like it to evade or counter. In such a way the slaves made cap look like a dance, which was completely Fine with the Slavers. These moves however were still lethal. A person not trained in cap would not know the move to evade or counter and would have to make something up FAST or get his ass kicked.

As to whether or not BBoy'ing was Influenced by this, no one may ever truly kow, Chances are as america changed, styles of dancing changed and people tryed new stuff. It is likely that somewhere along the lines Breakdancing was HIGHLY influenced by cap, but most likely BBoyin originated on its own. Its all very debateable.

Thanks for listening to me rant