[Watashi]

I think it is ironic how people on this board say that if you be in a video or whatnot for bboying you are selling out, even though the bboys and Poppers (if you are into that) we look up to (Kujo, Crumbs, Mr. Wiggles, ect.) have been or going to be in some sort of music video, or video.

In my opinion selling out would be Bboying or Popping in a vid or what not that is pretty much un-danceable to, i saw some bboying moves in a Hillary Duff music video (mind you, i didnt want to watch it, but i was at anothers house).

What do all of yall think

[discjockey3m]

that is a good point. the same goes for emcees.

[Moochy - Mania]

it's not always selling out ... it really depends .
at israel there's this mc , subliminal . ok , i don't really like him , he's quite lame , but sometimes he says things i agree on in his songs , so i got a little respect for him . then one day he did a commercial for this chocolate product , featuring an animated talking " gangta " cat that he talks to , spitting things like " yo yo yo , respect " . needless to say , it was ridicolous . now i totally lost any respect for this dude . i never loved him but now i really despise him . how can you take seriously a guy who sell his art for quick money in a commercial ?

[*PiRho*]

sellin out is more when you change your style after you get big.

like the Black Eyed Peas, their old shit is dope, but they made one song that went big and the rest of the songs on that album are shit. it's like they threw a bunch of stuff together to get the album out and get paid for it.

alot of emcee's do that. get big then don't continue with who they really are.

with bboys it's more they won't travel anywhere or won't dance anywhere unless their gettin paid to do it. that takes away from their doin it for the love of it.

there's a difference between bein in a video and gettin money to do it, and only doin the video if there's big money involved.

some bboys won't go to jams or pay their own way unless someone else is doin for them. and then they want to get paid for just makin an appearance there.
they get the "superstar" syndrome and think everyone should give them money for who they are.

[GraffitiMachina]

I think pirho hit it dead on.

As far as I can say for the hilary duff thing, some of those breakers need the money, and its not like many people who arnt 10 and girls are going to watch her anyways.

[Anubis2002]

I think also, when u dont stand up for the culture just to get paid, THATS selling out...becuase ur selling the culture and what its founded on to make some bread

[tinyD]

the world i based on money however and not everyone is strong enough of a person to stick with their beliefs when it comes toa paycheque

[AgileAntics]

there's a big difference between selling out and supporting yourself doing something you love

[Anubis2002]

thats what im saying...if ur selling out what u beleive in and what ur culture is for money then its different, if ur being like oh ill do it for 50 bux but im not gonna be doing this n making bboyin look mad dumb, its different. ya know?

but most people are like oh shit ill do it!!

[Bboy Furious]

word pirho.

i remember i think sum1 from de la said "those who live underground, die underground" that was referring to underground hip hop acts who wouldnt release tracks jus cos it was frowned upon.

same in bboying. if you can make money off it why not. i know EVERYONE would do a music video if they got paid.

selling out wud b if a bboy exploited bboys for money cough *hooch* cough

[STIFF_UK]

Look - as far as I'm concerned - Moochy hit the nail squarley on the head. If you didn't - read his post. Spot on!

THAT is selling out.

I ain't buying that the BlackEyedPeas sold out. I've heard loads of people say that bands liek them, and The Prodigy, and many others have sold out for changing their style.
That's complete bullshit.

When you get artists who make it big, and then stick to the same forumla, it becomed dull, boring, even wack in no time at all.

Know what I mean?

As far as I am concerned, BEP's, Prodigy, and MANY other bands hit it big, and then simply continue on the progression in their style. That ain't selling out - that's staying as true to yourself as you can ever get with a deal!

So you don't like their new stuff, that's got more to do with your own personal tastes than it has to do with their integrity and style.


Selling out is like Mooch says. When someone wants you to do something that ain't in line with your beliefs, ideas and style, and you go and do it so you can get paid.


Don't make the mistake of thinking that someone is selling out just because they started to change when the money came into it, because money changes you, and if you change, your art SHOULD change with you.

[llSpreadLovell]

I'd call bboying in almost any new rap videos selling out cuz that garbage music is not representative of the culture, but a bboy who wants to make a living off of his art doesn't really have much of a choice, ya know?

[*PiRho*]

the black eyed peas didn't change their style before they got big.

they got big then their style completely changed. their music doesn't even sound like it used to. they aren't expanding on their style, it's like your a punker one week then next week your a thug.

and their video for the "where is the love" , that ain't much of a statement of a music band, that's more pointed at political issues, not belief's. it's like their running for musician's political office.


i just see it as when a band starts makin huge money, then they through albums together really fast just to get them out, it ain't about makin inspiring music anymore.

[L4nce]

I dont like the BEP's album as well.. .shut up and where is the love are the only good tracks on it. I dont care if they are famous or not now.. i just dont like the rest.. dont mix up things...



To sell out, means for me

To represent a picture of your culture thats not true. (it doesnt matter if you get money for or not, its the start of sentences like "hiphoppers are gangstas, breakdance is just for getting attention")

If you teach bboyn and get money for it, you teach others the culture which is worth to be paid if you ask me. If you dance for a video called "what a ladies lover has to have" you 've broken with your principles in my oppinion.

Selling out is not a question of Money. hey guys... our inegrity is so much more worth than fuckin 100 Billions of dollars... To be a good role model for kids that wouldnt make it far without you cannot be cashed out in a bank.

[lil'kiwi]

Everyone will get cocky when they have fame and money......I must admit I am one of those.....come to think bout it,humans and animal are the same,they are conquer by greed and power.....sad thing,but true.....just look at frodo.......he always want to destroy the ring but when he got the chance to destroy it,he didn't but took off with the rings instead.....ARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH