[hdt415]

SO i know alot of you guys out there had alot of Rock questions over the last couple months that went unanswered. Well i encourage you guys to ask any and all questions. With people here like Buz and Numbers representing two of bushwicks originals crews!! DYNASTY ROCKERS AND TOUCH OF ROCK!!! U guys are sure to get some good answers.

AIGHT

ROCK BANDIT

[thunderhetz]

i have heard its has a count or something.. like 1 - 2 - 3 - 4, 2- 2- 1- 4
i dont quite remember..but it is something like that...
what a hell is it ?

[numbers]

whats up thunder? im not sure i understand the question. if you are refering to how to dance to rock songs then i can tell you its alot more complicated then a simple 4 count.

please explain and i will do my best to answer.

-numbers
dynasty rockers


Dynasty Rockers Est. 1973

[MaDD]

All right... this is a can of worms I know....

Borrowing some elements of Rocking in bboying, why is it such a crime?
I mean really if Rock was invented from ideas of tango/hustle/ect.
BBoying was invented from such a huge number of things from so many places.

Why is it a crime to throw a few rock steps in, but not to throw a flare in or a tango riff or almost anything else?
Best I've been able to tell its the rockers themselves that tend to propagate the idea that it's a huge mistake. I mean really why is it so disrespectful to rocking to borrow steps? Does that mean rocking is disrespectful to tango and hustle?

BBoying is obviously a mix-match of all sorts of different styles and ideas from around the world, if no one is trying to hurt uprock or the ideals or integrity of that dance why is it still not ok to borrow from it?...

[metheores]

I uprock but you know just to enhance my tops
I don't get into an uprock battle (although it did happen in a few occasions)
Personally my coach ActOne told me to work on my brooklyn rocks to enhance my tops and show diversity. I'm not a rocker, but in my opinion i don't think it's "wrong"

[hdt415]

Yo what up MaDD...

I hear you on this one and it is confusing. I think the most important thing is to really try to understand what uprock is. I feel that if you borrow freestyle steps and throw that into your tops, that can work. BUT the most important thing when doing bboy toprocks, but borrowing other moves from other dance genres is TO RETAIN the bboy feel and flavor in that movement. So for example, lets say i borrowed some locking movements and threw them into my toprock, i still have to maintain that bboy attitude, if i change it up and use a locking attitude, i will look like i am doing two dances. Instead of just borrowing some movements. It will look confusing. Same thing goes for Rock dance, it has it's own flavor. SO when mixing it up, bboying with any dance, it is always important to keep it BBOY! I know that is a little confusing, but i hope you understand. Now if you start busting out jerks in the middle of your toprock, you will look confused!!! I have alot of old footage of bboys(earlier 81-82 footage) and they never mixed rock with toprock. Actually the tops were very simple and quick, only in the last 10 years or so did bboys start developing toprock styles. Now you got bboys that are known for there toprocks, and specialize in it.

As far as it being a crime. i would say you should get at least 10 years to life!!!hahahaha

I think the key to understanding how to mix toprocks and rocking is truely understand what a toprock is, and what rocking is. I feel that if more people understood the rock dance then they would understand how to use it to help their breaking and how not to look confused while borrowing ideas, steps and concepts from the rock dance.

Look forward to hearing Buz and Numbers drop their perspective. I believe these guys not only rockers but have breaked as well at one time!

peace

Rock bandito

[numbers]

whats up madd? this is a question that we have encountered many times.

now as to your question "Borrowing some elements of Rocking in bboying, why is it such a crime?" and "I mean really why is it so disrespectful to rocking to borrow steps? Does that mean rocking is disrespectful to tango and hustle?"

borrowing moves from anything isnt a crime. i have been dancing for a long time and have found alot of inspiration from outside the "hip-hop" realm. i was a b-boy before i got serious about rocking. its been about 12 years since the resurgance of rock, before that it was extremely difficult to find anything on rock. look at all the footage before 1996, everyone who does "uprock" all looks the same. there were no other styles to borrow from. my point is that we have been fighting tooth and nail to present this as its own entity and not something that came from breaking like everyone had thought for almost 25 years!

now as for the question about is rockers are disrepectful to the hustle etc? the difference in that is those rockers were avid dancers in alot of styles. so of course they would use certain methods of dance. breakers still dont know alot about rock to have mastered it and start using it in other dances. you have breakers see something they like and try to immitate it horribly in their set.

-numbers
dynasty rockers


Dynasty Rockers Est. 1973

[bboyspook]

Originally Posted by metheores

I don't get into an uprock battle (although it did happen in a few occasions)

wow my dude, you confused me with this 1 =P

[BUZ]

NO NO NO hdt415 this cat never had bboy.. no disrespect to bboying...
But I have to give my thoughtt to this one I read it and let it pass and now came back to it ...
Rockers getting offended because bboy are using the dance rock !!
sometime we need to be specific about who are you talking about ...
did you know that former president Clinton sent some throops to the gulf and today his wife is running for president and she is totally against sending any throops to war .. i mean nada zepo zero !!!!

Lets see who do we balme for the throops going to the gulf in the mid 80's
MR. CLINTON , MISS CLITON, or THE DEMOCRATS.. your pick !

what I'm trying to say is that I don't ever remember saying that yall bboy are stealing anything from me !!

Now let me give you some history !
I been rocking seens 1972 that's 35 years of rocking but steady rocking from 1972 thru 1985 where I went to Venezuella representing the dance rock in 1983 came back from the tour and worked on three videos Breakers revenge ,, break dance electric boogie , high and noon ! and just doing strictly rocking !!

And now I'm back in this thing you call a game something that we called back them our joy and pride...

Anyway when I step into my first bboy event today I saw many cats doing what they call top-rock there's no doubt that it had a familiar look to the dance up-rock ..
and when I saw it,,,It brought a huge smile to my face I have seen bboy dance seens 1981 it was when I saw for the first time the Rock Steady Crew at gotham west ,,Dynamic Breakers in the Roxy . and also the NewYork City Breakers at USA Roller ..

And they never danced with the style of todays top-rock ,
Todays bboy are really dancing no offense to the bboy of the 1980's and if the bboy of today are comparing the dance rock with what they are doing today than my respect to yall cats for reconizing an art that 's been around for many years and I'm talkin way before my time it's really amazing and I really enjoy watching the bboy and there top-rock especially that it has a very close vive to the dance rock there's no doubt I'm really loving it especially when I can go out there today and drop some jewels from the style of rock like Freestyle and some upper foot work and spins and to have many of todays bboy giving me the prop to the dance that i'm doing and asking me .. that they would like to hit me up so that I can give them some of the styles of the 1970's makes me feel really good ..
so there no crime this way just holla at me but me time will cost you ... lol lol


But hdt415 put in a prespected way when he said
""jerks in the middle of your toprock, you will look confused!!! ""
I mean don't get me wrong ,,there's nutin wrong with adding a yerk or two in the midle of your top-rock but repeatlly yerks would change the dance bboying into rock in a flash .. and I don't think judges want to see that in a bboy battle...or someone starting to do the tango in the middle of a bboy battle..

But if you are going to bboy in a circle and while you are bboying you start to throw a combination of yerks and there's person there that's strictly a rocker than you better be preapare to up-rock because you are going to get served !


my final fact !!!
I don't think is crime to borrow up-rocking into your bboying because no-one owns it so if you want to get into a tootoo and go battle in a bboy circle be my guess....but hey if you are going to bboy and ad rocking don't make the rocking to obiously keep it top-rock / bboy !


check out my pictures !

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BUZ TOUCH OF ROCK

[hdt415]

NO NO NO!!!

OK Buz, i seen those old pictures of you doing routines hitting back bridges and stuff, and i guess i jumped to the conclusion that you was breaking!!! I do remember you telling me that when you traveled you mixed up alot of different styles such as rock and loft. I guess i just assumed you were breaking too! Great answers here!

Hope to hear some more good questions!

peace yall

[-Sasuke-]

ok i am new to bboying so i know this is a noob question. but where is there the line at which you pass from toprock to rock? it seems there is alot of grey area and similar, if not the same moves.

[metheores]

well there's no "line" people will know if half of ur tops are rocking and burning/dissing, then u know it's not very toprockish....if u put a burn here or there u know it's cool but if u make ur whole shit dissing and burning then i think that's when u cross the "line"

[BUZ]

metheores you are right there's no line between up-rock and top-rock because I see nutin wrong with mixing Up-rock in with Top-rock but is like hdt415 said understanding the dance up-rock and maintain that bboy attitude and not looking like you are doing two different dances..

Now in the case of crossing the line I would have to say that you be crossing the line of two different dance if you are staying on the path of yerking and yerking and burning for a half of song you are converting it to up-rock and the same with the lockign stuff if you lock for a half of song while bboying is also converting the dance into locking ... so I would have to say that ....that's when you draw the line ..

check out my pictures !

www.myspace.com/touchofrockbk

BUZ TOUCH OF ROCK

[metheores]

dammit iight buz i'll check out ur pics >_<

[BUZ]

WHY ARE YOU YELLING !!! ""metheores""" stop hating .. ha ha ha ha ha ...

GOD BLESS !