[kandyflip]

Constantly, there are people on this forum intrigued and hungry for information about uprock. As there are no uprock classes in their area, they naturally seek video tutorials and maybe even a DVD that goes through teaching foundation moves, maybe even some intermediate stuff.

After many years of this forum, all they get given is a video tutorial in Korean, a clip of some barely visible dancers in a pitched-dark street and some clip of dancing that had to be shot after smuggling a camera into a venue.

Sure, I get the idea that uprock isn't just about learning a long routine, that it's about dancing to the music, and responding to your opponent, but that hasn't stopped people putting together martial arts and capoeira videos teaching techniques both in attack and response. And I understand that people may need to go to New York to truly appreciate and understand the culture of uprock, (I know capoeristas say the same about Brazil), but that shouldn't justify the lack of video helping people to at least practice and get the feel of some of the elements that make up the dance.

Is it any wonder that people over the world think the b-boy battle rock is what uprock is, when there is so little visible evidence from the pioneers to the contrary?

[Jimothy]

I think most of them want to keep it underground.

[D.n.A]

If they want to keep it underground, they shouldn't cry every single time a bboy does battle rock and calls it uprock.

No offence to rockers though (or to you noflo) =]

[Jimothy]

ahahahah none taken man. i agree 100%.

[hdt415]

YO WHATS UP EVERYBODY!!?!?!?!

so i hear all you guys on this. YOU want something to learn from a tutorial video etc....WELL it ain't that simple guys. It is not easy to put this all into to words. But i will try to point out some things i have found on my path of learning the rock dance.and answer your question.

VERY FEW PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO ROCK!!!!! and fewer KNOW HOW TO ROCK WELL!!!! Most of these people are over 35 and not interested in putting out there dance to mass society in the form of a video how to???? SEE this dance is alot different than bboying and for me to learn it, the path has been alot different.

Most of the people i learn from want to keep this dance something taught on a one to one basis????? why well there is a multitude of reasons. i will list a few.

1. Explotation- HOW do these guys know that what they teach won't be sold out or used in a way they don't approve of. See since the rock scene is much smaller than bboying, anybody who gets halfway decent is quickly sweated. SO people often take fame to the head, or are broke. Maybe a new-rocker gets in a pinch and needs some money so he stars in some koolaid commercial rocking the kool aid man!!!! Also when things are done on a large scale aimed at a mass-audience often the artform becomes waterdown down down. BREAKING the movie for instance!!!

2. Keep it family. ITS CALLED CULTURE. I think to be a part of rocking you have to really understand the where it comes from and that is not gonna happen by reading about it. What helps you to understand this aspect is packing your bags and going to Brooklyn. Linking up with OG's. Taking classes.... I know alot of people gonna say i am to broke to go, or my parents won't let me...etc..TOUGH. I worked hard and saved and was able to go out there a couple times, and i am still just a beginner. But going out there and tracking these guys down, i appreciate everything i learn, take nothing for granted. But when all you got to do is download a video off the internet and learn you aren't nearly gonna appreciate the hard work and time put into the dance and the many concepts withen the dance such as freestyle, yerks, and burns.

3. PEOPLE GOTTA WORK FOR A LIVING. Alot of the Rockers love this dance but work hard for a living. They don't have the time to pay attention to the bboy boards. REALLY we should be grateful for people such as PJAY71 who do take the time(TRUST THIS IS ONE BUSY DUDE) and bless us with there knowledge and experiences.

4. This dance came from gangs and is still down by gangs!!! MC clubs etc... JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT!!!!!!maybe it's not the best idea to teach kids all around the world a dance that is considered my many BROOOKLYN GANGS to me "there dance"!!!!!!!! Rock dance is not for everyone.

peace to Dynasty Rockers, Touch of Rock, Little Dave Rockers and Devil Rebels-MY TEACHERS

ROCK BANDIT
FOREVER WE ROCKER

i will try to keep hitting up this board and help you guys out if possible.

[MastaMynd]

Originally Posted by hdt415

4. This dance came from gangs and is still down by gangs!!! MC clubs etc... JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT!!!!!!maybe it's not the best idea to teach kids all around the world a dance that is considered my many BROOOKLYN GANGS to me "there dance"!!!!!!!! Rock dance is not for everyone.

peace to Dynasty Rockers, Touch of Rock, Little Dave Rockers and Devil Rebels-MY TEACHERS

ROCK BANDIT
FOREVER WE ROCKER

i will try to keep hitting up this board and help you guys out if possible.

C-walking is a gang battle ritual (not even a real dance) and yet it has mainstream popularity without being too heavily altered. I may not remember correctly, but I'm pretty sure Snoop Dogg c-walks in a few of his videos and most people agree that he's not hurting anyone by doing that.

I feel that the rockers tend to be a bit too conservative (okay, a lot too conservative). They're constantly worried that if rocking gets mainstream appeal, it will be transmuted into some commercialized nonsense dance, but at the same time, they want others to have some sort of respect for the truth of the culture. Well, considering the lack of resources, that's going to be rather difficult.

Yes, bboying also had its phase of commercialism a few years back, but in recent years, the dance is now being appreciated for its original elements; I figure it will only be a matter of time before proper bboying is what is represented in popular culture. And popping managed to escalate into mainstream appeal with only a few misnomers attached to it (pop-locking, robot dancing [which is only one part of popping], flexing, breaking). The same could easily be the case for uprocking, if the OGs would take the plunge.

Personally, I like to see things evolve over time when new influences are brought upon them. If it were my decision, rocking would have already reached mainstream appeal by now, or I would at least provide some sort of proper educational video for the select few who even know that it exists. I don't think that if a short video guide series were uploaded to this site the dance would become widespread knowledge, just so long as it is kept to those who want to appreciate the dance but lack the capabilities to learn it firsthand.

If worst came to worst and the dance did become mainstream, well, there would always be that little dedicated minority that we have now, wouldn't there? And to me, so long as somebody appreciates an artform enough to go out to its place of origin and study it, then the art is still alive and well.

[hdt415]

WORD....


I feel what you are saying. Thats cool. You want rocking to be mainstream. You think there should be a video already. Well, nothing wrong with that you are entitled to your opioion. I myself would be perfectly happy if it was never mainstream. I will post some clips up today that are good demostrations of rock dance for everybody here. They may not be instructional but they will have to do for now.

peace

[numbers]

whats up everybody? im happy to hear that some people have questions but from the way it sounds some act as if we are trying to hide the basics of rock, and that is not true.

kandyflip wrote: "Constantly, there are people on this forum intrigued and hungry for information about uprock. As there are no uprock classes in their area, they naturally seek video tutorials and maybe even a DVD that goes through teaching foundation moves, maybe even some intermediate stuff. "

well as far as a dvd we (dynasty rockers) werethe first crew to ever put out a dvd with all uprock. its very easy to see, includes awesome apache lines, many original dancers and styles. if you cant find a place or the correct persn to learn from in your area to learn from then i am sorry. but we do have lives and cant roam the counrty side searching for people to teach.-numbers

kandyflip wrote: "Is it any wonder that people over the world think the b-boy battle rock is what uprock is, when there is so little visible evidence from the pioneers to the contrary?"

i beg your pardon, but we have been doing panels, workshops, classes, interviews, demos, events, etc for years now. maybe you arent looking hard enough.-numbers

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