[dragon29125]

so does it mean we cant call ppl who uprocks bboy?and do uprock is still considered hip hop dance?

[metheores]

blah, i think that's bullshit, i won't start an uprock battle when im battleing someone, but i will uprock to them. and if they wanna start an uprock battle -__- well then nothing to do there might as well just go with the flow. I will include uprocking in my bboying any day

Edit: the dudes right yo, use common sense =P

VVV

[BBoy27]

I think this is the stupidest thread ever. Use common sense.

[dbaznxdragon]

"uprockers" are actually those who do the Rock Dance (what people believe to be called uprock) they're actually just called Rockers

[DB.Klick]

"Since uprock isn't a part of bboying.." What are you talking about???? Watch any amateur or Pro BBoys battle they always throw uprock into their tops. You need to be educated kid. Go watch some Beat Street.

[dbaznxdragon]

^ you have no sense of your history. Uprock is NOT a part of bboying. Bboying is an entirely different dance that has been heavily influenced by the Rock Dance ("Uprock"). That's why any "amateur or Pro BBoys" use "uprock" in their tops. You can have uprocks influence your tops but if any of those "amateur or pro bboys" did "uprock" in a battle they would be laughed at.

[kobansora]

Now you all got me confused...

~JJ

[DB.Klick]

Historically they started out as 2 entirely different things yes I understand that but uprock today IS a part of bboying since Bboys do it in their toprocks all the time. And Uprock is not a rock dance. It came out of Brooklyn, NY. Its a dance style of fighting with burns to clown your opponent.

[dbaznxdragon]

Originally Posted by dbaznxdragon

HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN UPROCK AND TOPROCK ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!

Uprocking (now just called "rocking") is from "the Rock Dance" and is a dance entirely of it's own.

Toprocking is influenced FROM uprocking (that's y there's a big similarity) and is used for BBOYING. Toprocking is rocking the music (usually in stand up position) that you see a bboy do before he hits the floor. Uprocking is not used in anyway shape or form in bboying, only TOPROCKING is used in bboying.

The Rock Dance (i may be wrong about this) was invented before bboying even started. When you see an "uprock battle" it's most likely in an apache line, you're not supposed to cross or touch that line while rocking. Now you can uprock in a cypher by yourself, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ROCK AGAINST SOMEONE FOR IT TO BE CONSIDERED UPROCKING, now just rocking to the music and telling a story through your movement and dance is also uprocking.

Overview:
Uprocking is from the Rock Dance
Toprocking is for bboying
Toprocking is heavily influenced from Uprocking
You Uprock in an Apache Line
You Toprock when you Bboy

if i'm wrong in anything i'm sure pjay will correct me so there ya go.

Originally Posted by PJAY71

Perfect brother... well said.

Haven't been here in a while... hope everyone is cool.

Happy Holidays and peace to all.

Pjay

even Pjay verified that what i said is true and he is a real Rocker

[DB.Klick]

well you better check your facts cause according to Mr. Wiggles:

GANG INFLUENCE IN DANCE/UPROCKING (not to be confused with BBOYING)
now in dance, there is a significant amount of information that points to the fact that gangs had a major influence in a dance called UPROCKIN. one such fact is that all the gangs in NYC had a certain dance that they did before going to war. it was sort of like a gang member imitating what he will do to his enemy when they rumble. the dance involved strikes and movements of violence between two dancers. imitating (miming) weapons such as zip guns, knives, bats, and fists. This dance would later be emulated by a brother in BROOKLYN named "RUBBER BAND" (also a brother named "APACHE") who was eventually murdered over a dance battle gone bad. It is said that he was one of the greatest dancers on the streets. RUBBER BAND was also said to have laid the foundation of the dance with JERKS and BURNS and was responsible for takin the gang style dance to the clubs and made it popular with the DISCO CROWD and it eventually became a dance done all over the city by gangsters and non gangsters alike. But it was common knowledge that BROOKLYN mastered this dance with such crews as DYNASTY ROCKERS. (for more info on uprockin "UNITEDUPROCKERS").

info found at
hip hop history

No where in there did I see "The Rock Dance" Or any mention of Rock period.

So all of this is true

Toprocking is for bboying
Toprocking is heavily influenced from Uprocking
You Uprock in an Apache Line
You Toprock when you Bboy

except for

Uprocking is from the Rock Dance

In conclusion, uprockers uprock and a bboy bboys but today the 2 terms are used so loosely it doesnt really matter if you call ppl who uprock bboys and yes they are both considered hip hop dances since original dance styles are hip hop in its purest form.

[MastaMynd]

Okay, well your opinion is cool and all, Klick, but the fact of the matter is, Mr. Wiggles is not a Rocker, and as such, his opinion is not as valid. When they say Rock Dance, they don't mean dance to Rock and Roll music so much as a dance where they rock the body, first off. I don't think you understood that much.

Secondly, PJay is a genuine rocker, and he himself says that the name Uprock simply came because people wanted to differentiate it from Rock and Roll music, and the style was originally called Rocking, or the Rock Dance.

Thirdly, no, Rocking is not a hip hop dance, because you NEVER rock to hip hop, even though Toprock is very similar. If you see an actual Apache Line, the feel of Rocking is much different from that of bboying, and the music typically played is soul, or sometimes, even salsa or other Latin styles.

So, in conclusion, dbaznxdragon was right in entirety.

[dbaznxdragon]

Originally Posted by MastaMynd

Okay, well your opinion is cool and all, Klick, but the fact of the matter is, Mr. Wiggles is not a Rocker, and as such, his opinion is not as valid. When they say Rock Dance, they don't mean dance to Rock and Roll music so much as a dance where they rock the body, first off. I don't think you understood that much.

Secondly, PJay is a genuine rocker, and he himself says that the name Uprock simply came because people wanted to differentiate it from Rock and Roll music, and the style was originally called Rocking, or the Rock Dance.

Thirdly, no, Rocking is not a hip hop dance, because you NEVER rock to hip hop, even though Toprock is very similar. If you see an actual Apache Line, the feel of Rocking is much different from that of bboying, and the music typically played is soul, or sometimes, even salsa or other Latin styles.

So, in conclusion, dbaznxdragon was right in entirety.

MastaMynd is right Klick, Mr. Wiggles is a popper and Pjay is a genuine rocker. Pjay is part of Dynasty Rockers i believe so i stand by him the most. By the way, one of the heads of my crew is in "Forever We Rock" crew which is the first rocking crew to be made on the west coast, the rockers in that crew went to NY to be "knighted" (for lack of a better word) official rockers and they're the ones who brought the knowledge of rocking to me. That's why Pjay would approve of it.

[Man of Confiden]

I think i know where all the confusion is! First off, db laid out all the differences nicely , so i dont hafta talk about that! Where the confusion comes in is that sometimes amateur and pro bboys alike will get into a "mock" uprock battle. Usually this happens when thangs get a lil rowdy durin battles and stuff like that. Thats where i think ppl get all confused.

The truth is...those are only "mock" uprock battles. They aint true uprock battles. Instead of fighting each other when things get heated, the two crews will get all mixed into each other uprockin. Usually it gets broken up pretty quick tho, becuz its a bboy battle and not an apache line haha. But for the most part, yes u do keep uprockin out of bboyin. Mock battles are an exception, but thats jus a way for bboys to get in a short brawl without actually beatin the shit out of each other (except for lilou, who kicked his opponent in the face haha).

[dbaznxdragon]

Mock battles are not an exception, they're just burns that get out of hand and bboys think it makes them look more authentic to start uprocking...stupid bboys...uprocking are for rockers. just like trix are for kids.

Lilou kicked Omar in the face after Omar slapped/punched Lilou in the face hahaha

In the end, you don't bboy in an apache line....so you should damn well not uprock in a bboy battle.

[Man of Confiden]

Well yea....dats true. But then again i'd rather see bboys resort to uprockin rather than brawlin. In either case, it shows a lack of discipline, so neither should be done at all actually. And when it does happen, it does look like a big unorganized fight, because there is no apache line.

Yea, it's safe to say....don't do it. Have some discipline bboys! Peace!