[PJAY71]

Hahahahaha!!!!

[BboyRican]

Hold Up!! ya'll saying in order to Top Rock or Up Rock legitamently. I have to go to NY to learn?? Makes no cents. I dont see house dancers goin to the Chi to learn. I dont see jazz dancers goin to New Orleans to learn. Ill admit its always good to back to the roots. but what about evolution. the now generation is whats keepin it goin. can they not add thier own style to the already "Rocking format" If so, i think dancing and the freedom that comes with it. is being robbed.

Yo jus my opion. so please dont jump off talkin mess. please!

[BboyRican]

yo yeah, cuz i feel fools be hating.

What yall think of this burns, haters??

[hdt415]

Yo rican, like you said it's good to get to the roots. See since there really hasn't been alot of rockers, or a rocking scene in the past 20 years, it does help to go back to the BK and learn from OG's. Really just to see how the dance is done helps alot. And i think you are wrong, people do go back to New Orleans to learn about jazz and go to CHi to learn about house, people who really love there artforms do that shit. I know alot of bboys who go to NY to learn about breaking. I am not saying you HAVE TO. But you can't deny that it would give someone more insight and understanding of the dance. And yes the generation of today can add there own style to the dance and should. Look at wary, look at crazy smooth, the guys out in poland and brazil. All the cali guys. That's whats going on.

I give you props for always hitting apache lines and doing your thing in these battles. I don't think anyone is hating, they may have just prefered your oponents style over yours! It is a dance, it is very subjective, you knew who was judging you entered, i think you should just accept the outcome and learn what you can from it. You can't go around calling everyone haters when nobody even is hating, that don't make cents....

peace

ROCK BANDIT
FWR

[BboyRican]

tru true. I guess Im jus buggin. theres to much stuff that comes with Rocking. wether its top rock or up rockin. and yes the judges are a big thing. but should the judges limit me from entering? Ill tell u now, it doesnt to me. but when the judges are always passing people that are in their own camp and "understand the style" of the judges. theres never any way to win. So i Rock regardless. like Jay-z wrote "Politics as usual"

Thanks Bandit.

[hdt415]

Yo to be honest i think i can speak on rob and wako behalf, and i am sure that they would not rather judge their own students, or friends for that matter, but you would be hard pressed to have a rock contest out here in cali where half the people entered didn't learn from or werent good friends with Rob nasty. There is not that many qualified judges for rocking out here on the west coast. The dance is just too small and there are only a handful of dedicated students who study the dance and practice it seprate from breaking. It would be nice to fly out judges from the BK but that costs alot of money, for example plane tickets, hotel, most these guys have full time jobs that they are gonna miss out on so you have to reimburse them for that and pay them for judging. The rock scene is much smaller than even bboying so the interest level in it for events is alot smaller thus promoters most likely won't make as much money.

So for now it is what it is, but hopefully as the scene gets bigger and events get bigger and interest grows we will be able to sort these things out, and get a more diversity of judges.

Keep on repping rican!

peace

[BboyRican]

See i think thats a point of opion. I promote, I get Investors and sponsors for my events. I get crazy line ups. The "Game" wether Bboying, Rocking, Housing, Turffin, or jus any form of dance is jus getting bigger. No One can stop it. I mean look at ABDC No one on there is creditable to judge. yet they do and the world believes thats dancing. I mean the crews in there are dope! We all seen them before, but the judges?? come on Lil Mama dont know shit. haha and as far as the west coast not having Rockers. thats so un true. Nigga u Bandit!! lol! u would be one! mickey ice 2. Foots! Cold Chris! Rob! Profo! Abe! Bush! the list goes on and on. doesnt change the fact that politics are involved.

[kostek]

Rock Bandit.... Word Up!!!!!

[hdt415]

You are right rican the will always be politics involved. The scene is growing. Right now there are only a handful of rock contests in cali a year. Maybe 5-6. Which is exactly why Rob threw this event and foots and chris threw there rock contests and we are gonna throw one down here in San Diego soon. Honestly i didn't know Abe and bush were really uprocking like that where they would be considered as judges. I knew about foots and chris and dirty sanchez and mastermind rockers from Sacremento, but i didn't know abe and bush were all about the rock. I never seen them enter any contests except maybe mooncrickets a few years back. But that's dope if they are cause i know abe influences alot of people and i would like to see more people taking this dance serious practicing and trying to burn me!!!hahaha

peace

[BboyRican]

yeah man, dont sleep on them. they are dope. I jus wanted to make it clear that there really is no one way to rock. which is how everyone makes it seem. U dont have to go to one man to find out of the Rock. Rocking comes from the soul yo. Im sure u know that. i jus hate and get annoyed when people say, "this is how its done." its dancing, regardless. u can never be wrong when ur hitting to beat. which i feel is what i was doin. wether i win or lose. Im dancing. the youth and future people should know. be aware of what ur doin and give respect to whom ever was before but dont let them tell u "ur wrong" Dance! Dance Pure! Nothing will ever beat that.

[hdt415]

Well there is no "ONE" way to rock correct. But if you are talking about the rock dance from Brooklyn New York there is a format and flavor that you must have in order to do well in a Rock contest.

You can dance any which way you like, but you can't enter a rock battle and pop or lock and expect to win. Likewise you can't enter a rock battle with people who study the format and essense of the dance and do what you think rocking is and expect to win. Understand what i am saying. Just like in breaking you can do whatever you want but if you want to win a contest there are certain critera that has to be met, footwork, toprock, freezes, flavor. In rock you should have Brooklyn Rock style freestyle,(which you have to see and study to understand) a large variety of decent looking jerks and nice burns done to the music while dancing. And great knowledge of the music to perform all these moves too. If you lack these things, i doubt you will go far in a Rock/Uprock contest. This dance has a history and format laid out by the godfathers... So to ignore that and do whatever you want is not really doing the dance at all....

[BboyRican]

The "God Fathers" sit on their broken down hills. pointing their fingers. "Ur wrong here & ur wrong there" Im sure u, as well as many other people have fallen victims to this. The "God Fathers" Fight among them selfs all the time. So to me as a student of life and dance, notices this. I cant change my style do to whoever is judging. Bboying, Rocking or everything else that comes with dancing . This is my life yo. Not that im the best in the world. But i dont know nothing other than this. Im sure, it will show over time. but for now. As a dancer, that loves to dance. weather bboyin, rocking, or whatever i think im doin. I cant let the people whom fight over rights to name a dance. Dictate what im doin. I mean u seen me in the clips. Weather win or lose. i am "rockin" or whatever u call it. im doin jerks and burns and blocks! which i feel are Very important but no one wants to point these things out. U cant limit something that was meant to express. I think thats why "Greed" is a big down fall in our culture. everyone wants to say their the first and this is how its done. I believe HipHop is the universal dance and everything that comes with it. If we cant see that the culture is evolving. we will be left behind. For ex. i hear old kats, all day. talking about "that isnt music! but in the day, now that was music!" Thinking like that shows that people are scared of change. for fear of what they might lose to it. I mean, dont poppers use burns and get downs? dont lockers, lock on beat? dont rockers pop on lock on beat? i mean whats jerks if their not locking their bodies on beat?? I hear fools all day like "there's no point in fight with them (Rockers) Rican. their jus goin to think their right" Why is that? cuz they have their own style? do they hate on anything different, do to being scared??? Yo there are many questions that even the "God Fathers" cant answer. so dancing is the only right answer. right? i mean there is only a beat that im destined to hit, right? I dont need to jock anyone to hit it. I jus have to be myself. and nothing, i mean nothing can stop that. of course, other than the judges. Hints why Im throwing an ALLSTYLE Competition on May 9th Called Locked & Loaded!! Where people who dance with out limits. which i feel Rockers do. can come to rep their style with pride.

[hdt415]

Rican, I don't quite get your point here. Why do you want to argue with Rockers? about how it's done? what it is? where it's from? or what you aren't doing right?

Who have you learned to rock from? what have you done to learn more about it? who have you talked to and asked questions? Have you taking any classes?

And why does the fact that OG's argue amongest themselves bother you so much? I mean the are human, they have pride and ego. I don't expect them to be all cool with each other and shit. These dudes grew up in a rough time where alot of apache lines and contests ended in violence. The all have different historys and come from different places in NY so of course they aren't going to have all the same perspectives and will butt heads. I mean "we", as in our generation argue with each other, so why would you expect them to not argue. Breakers tell each other all the time they aren't doing it right, just take freakshow for instance, those guys get told all the time they are doing it wrong by other guys from the same generation.

Greed is not just a downfall of Hip Hop culture it is a downfall of humanity itself.

See i see guys like King Uprock, Little Dave, Pjay, Breakeasy, Amigorock, Buz, Noel etc....and i don't let them dictate how i dance but i really like what they do and i want to learn how to be able to move like them. I see them as better dancers than myself and i want to learn from them. Nobody wants to be a clone, but first before i can master my own style, i need to know the foundations and essence of the dance then i can put my style on top of that. It's like with Bruce Lee, he invented his own style, but only after he mastered the foundations of Wing Chun Gung Fu and THEN he modified it. And each of the forementioned guys don't dance alike. They all rock but look alot different and have different approaches and streghts.

What it sounds like you want to do, is freestlye dance, which is doing whatever you want...Like your freestlye dance competition. Not to change to subject, but how are you going to judge the all style competition? How do you judge a popper against a bboy, or a locker against a krumper, is it whose more dynamic, or by the crowd or is going to be by the judges preference and if you do have different judges from different dances, don't you think they would prefer the dancers whom perform their speciality?

[BboyRican]

Whats my point? My point is exactly what you said. All them OGs fight for their name and still fight till this day. And it saddens me that me, a guy who feels he can rock, is automatically questioned "who taught you, where u come from, what style u rock..and so on" I'm Rican, Zulu Kings, and Royalty Squad, fr Pittsburgh ca, and trust, nothing nice coming fr that neighborhood. So jus like all these other kats, im gonna be here reppin my style, regardles of who taught me, where im fr, and what class I came from. I'm a rocker, I hit the beats, and I dont need no one that classifies themselves as the orginal rocker to verify that. What saddens me even more than that, the only people that actually fight to claim the name a rocker, are from the same camp. So how am I going to try to say I'm a rocker when all the rocker in this world based on how the ogs put it, come from their own hands? So if i have to go around and say F rockin, jsut to feel i am a rocker, or go and change what you guys made and make it into a whole dynamic stance is still gonna be rockin in my heart. there is no limit to dancing and rocking is no exception.

And as far as the all styles battles, they are gonna be judged based on the music, whoever hits the beats more consistently, smoothly, and with the most style and finess, will be declared the best dancer of the night. \

Yo, like i said this is just my opinion, so pls do not go get your feathers all roughed up. Bandit, you seen me dance, u seen me do alot of things for a lot of years, im sure u know im no fool or a new jack.

[hdt415]

Rican, trust i know you are not a fool. I too wish all the OG's got along in a good way, but i can't change that. I deal with what is.

The reason i asked you those questions is because i was trying to understand where you are coming from(not literally), what have you studied about rock. What is your understanding of the rock dance? I never asked where you are from, or who you were, or what crew you belong to.

Your arguement reminds me of when RSC first came out to cali in 94-95 for bboy summits and they used to diss power heads and cali bboys, tell us that we werent dancing and werent doing it right. I used to think that they were full of shit and didn't want to be told what to do. Most of cali at the time felt the same way about RSC. But the more i studied and learned about he dance the more i realized that i wasn't really doing the dance, i was mimicing it. Just because you put on a to-to and dance around on your tiptoes, that doesn't make you a ballerina. Same with rocking, just because you throw a few jerks and know some good burns that doesn't make you a rocker(not you specifically but anyone).

No feathers ruffled here bro!