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"What Music Should I Practice Toprock to?" (Plus Other Advice) - 11-18-2007, 05:51 PM

Alright, this question comes up constantly so I'm gonna go ahead and end it with this thread...

First and foremost you need to be practicing to slower beats (around 95-115 bpm). Why so slow?

1. You need to learn to hit the beats. This is far easier with slower tracks and will allow you to do a large range of steps without rushing to keep up with the beat.

2. To learn the proper technique you need to go slow before you can go fast.

3. It's far easier to keep your tops "loose" when you're practicing to slower beats. A lot of that has to do with the fact that you're just stepping on the snare and can go at a relaxed pace without having to rush or force anything. As you progress in skill this relaxation will carry over as you start practicing to faster beats.

Also, you should be dancing to FUNK. Funk has lots of elements to it like horns, vocals, changes in the beats, etc that just aren't present in other genres. Not to mention that funk is the backbone for b-boying. If it wasn't for the breaks present in these songs, this dance wouldn't exist. Period. The steps, the attitude, and the style of the dance grow directly out of the funk genre. Listening to funk will help add an element of "soul" to your tops.

Whenever your practice, bounce on the balls of your feet like a boxer, shake your head, loosen your shoulders, shake your arms out, and then start stepping out lightly on the snares. Don't force anything. Don't concentrate too hard. Don't worry about your hands or anything else. Don't worry about any particular steps. Just work on staying relaxed and stepping out on the snare. As you get comfortable your body will naturally start finding something to do.

Some of my favorite songs to practice tops to (in order of speed)

"Baby Don't Cry" - Third Guitar
"Rocksteady" - Aretha Franklin
"Talkin' Loud and Sayin' Nothing" - James Brown
"40 Days" - Billy Brooks
"Rock Creek Park" - The Blackbyrds
"Get Up, Get Into It, Get Involved" - James Brown
"I Believe in Miracles" - Jackson Sisters
"Come Down" - Beginning of the End
"The Mexican" - Babe Ruth
"Razor Blade" - Little Royal
"Woman" - Barrabas

Those all have a lot of elements you can work on rocking like lyrics, horn hits, guitars, etc. once you've gotten past the basic "step on the snare"

You can get the tracks off our breaks database here:

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Let's get some perspective on toprock...

There's a lot of people coming on here and going "My toprock is awful" and they've only been dancing about 6 months (usually far, far less). Toprock isn't a move. It isn't about mechanics or momentum like power moves or freezes. It's about attitude and style. That takes time...lots of time. For me, it took about 3 years to get to a point where I was comfortable with my toprock and 6 years to actually be happy with it. I'm now 8 years into this and I still feel like I have a lot of room for improvement. Most b-boys who have been doing this for a while that I've talked to feel the same. On average it seems to take at least 2 to 3 years where people feel like their toprock is decent.

Chances are, you're reading this and probably getting a bit discouraged. But b-boying isn't something you learn within a few years, then you've got it. It's a constant learning process. If you ask people that have been in the game for decades, they'll tell you that they're still learning. So my point is you just have to keep practicing, stay relaxed, and don't get discouraged.




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11-18-2007, 08:33 PM

Shit.. this thread is very dope. Very informative on tops in general. And that's a good list of sings to get..

You should sticky this. =)




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11-18-2007, 10:13 PM

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Shit.. this thread is very dope. Very informative on tops in general. And that's a good list of sings to get..

You should sticky this. =)
Doin it.

By the way, this isn't a post for recommendations...it's a guide to help you develop your tops. The songs I put on here (i'll be adding more later) are up here for that purpose. They're songs that I've personally used in my own practice and when teaching and they show good results. So...most recommendations will be deleted. Even if they're good suggestions, they'll be deleted to save space and added onto the first post.
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11-19-2007, 05:31 AM

IMHO it's really beneficial to work with counts before you work with beats. Perhaps its just relative to my technical mind, but with a count you can create any pace that is comfortable for you, this is really useful for anything you aren't yet comfortable with or have a basic mastery over. With a beat you ALWAYS have something to follow, even if you're on something slow, if you're just trying to grasp the basics having a rhythm that is not your own is extremely distracting and slows the learning process (at least for me).

That's just my 2 cents.




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11-19-2007, 07:49 AM

Very good guide, this is the type of stuff that acutally makes you better. But could you upload those songs?
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11-19-2007, 11:17 AM

Ah, read this thread wrong last time, haha.

Anyway, very good thread. Like Chucky said, anyway anyone could upload that list of songs? I hardly ever practice with horn hits or guitars..
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Very good guide, this is the type of stuff that acutally makes you better. But could you upload those songs?
I'll see what I can do later this week. I'm not on the computer that has those mp3s
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IMHO it's really beneficial to work with counts before you work with beats. Perhaps its just relative to my technical mind, but with a count you can create any pace that is comfortable for you, this is really useful for anything you aren't yet comfortable with or have a basic mastery over. With a beat you ALWAYS have something to follow, even if you're on something slow, if you're just trying to grasp the basics having a rhythm that is not your own is extremely distracting and slows the learning process (at least for me).

That's just my 2 cents.
I agree, you should learn how to count. This is basically assuming that you're past that point and are ready to move on.

The tracks listed have a good solid beat that's easy to follow for beginners and has many elements that are great for more advanced toprockers that are ready to go beyond the regular "Step on snare" technique.

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11-20-2007, 12:26 AM

Talkin' Loud and Sayin' Nothing, Baby Don't Cry, and 40 days are excellent songs, thanks for uploading those. I like playing with the horns on.. 40 days I think it was? This will really help you develop playing with the beat, I know it's helped me.
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11-20-2007, 04:46 PM

Breaks uploaded...check the bottom of the original post.
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11-21-2007, 01:11 AM

There's two songs "40 Days" I have it already but I was just wondering is the other a different version?
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11-21-2007, 02:29 AM

yup. One is the original by Billy Brooks and the other is a cover by Sound Directions.
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11-24-2007, 02:17 PM

Added a few more tracks to the playlist
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The tracks listed have a good solid beat that's easy to follow for beginners and has many elements that are great for more advanced toprockers that are ready to go behind the regular "Step on snare" technique.
So I finally got off my lazy ass and downloaded these tracks and I can't agree with these statements more. They're slow but very technical, easy to follow with simple steps, and allow for lots of complicated beat-teasing.
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06-08-2008, 12:46 PM

on like every vid guide or text guide i see alll u do is cross your feet over each other now i added stuff to it and once i get this video down u can see my way okf toprock




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