[Kunoichi Sakura]

Absolutely false. Buckin is a product of the Gangsta Walk.. a dance started in Memphis in the late 80's. Here's a video from around 1991 when Gangsta Walking started its transformation into G-Stylin/Jookin/Buckin. Crunchy Black of Three 6 Mafia still does this particular style

80's? Jit oringinated long before that,lol

"All of a sudden, somewhere in the city, “Let Me See Your Footwork,” by DJ Assault and Mr. De is dropped and you see a couple of young cats breaking out on the front lawn into a fancy footwork routine, sliding to the left, to the right, twisting and kicking their feet fast, back and forth, grabbing their baggy pants as they prepare to drop to the floor, spin and pop back up in one swift movement on tempo to the beat, all the while their arms are effortlessly in sync with their feet. Onlookers begin to encircle the dancers, whistling, hollering, and laughing, feeling right at home because they know their city, Detroit, bears exclusive rights’ to the origin of ‘jitting’, a dance over 75 years old."

- entire artice = http://www.hardcoredetroit.biz/jit/jit.html

As far as the dances comparsion

Jitting = http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...&search=Search

Now the obvious things you can't dispute are the slides and airwalks which have been around for along time also. Anyone who pops or at least knows styles can also notice some people do tut and wave/liquid with buckin also.. which again... came before the 80's. Liquid would be more 80's I think.

So if you take out all the things that were already there.. waving,slides,airwalks, what would you have?

But oh well I hardly dance anymore since I moved to go to school... people don't really dance dance up here if ya know what I mean.

[Sth MEM]

Originally Posted by Kunoichi Sakura 80's? Jit oringinated long before that,lol "All of a sudden, somewhere in the city, “Let Me See Your Footwork,” by DJ Assault and Mr. De is dropped... ...Detroit, bears exclusive rights’ to the origin of ‘jitting’, a dance over 75 years old."

What you see kids in Detroit doing today is not over 75 years old... And if the "over 75 year old" dances you're referring to are Jitterbugging and the James Brown type "footworking", then it's not even a Detriot phenomenon to begin with.

Originally Posted by Kunoichi Sakura As far as the dances comparsion Jitting = http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...&search=Search

No one in their right mind would think Jit and Jookin/Buckin are anything alike.

<<-- like Buckin?? Not even close.

<<-- like Jittin?? Haha.. please.


Jittin isn't even in the same league as Jookin/Buckin. Buckin is a very stylized and isolated style -- and not just anyone anywhere can do it. People can try, but unless you're actually a part of the culture it will look horrible and fake (like bad Poppin). On the other hand, Jittin consists of basic moves, and the style itself can be achieved simply by the moves -- no stylized and unique "flavor" or "flare" needed. And by "basic" I mean underlying (not a reference to ease or difficulty).

Originally Posted by Kunoichi Sakura Now the obvious things you can't dispute are the slides and airwalks which have been around for along time also. Anyone who pops or at least knows styles can also notice some people do tut and wave/liquid with buckin also.. which again... came before the 80's. Liquid would be more 80's I think.

Uhm ok, but what does any of that have to do with Buckin, or what you said about Buckin copying Jittin?

Originally Posted by Kunoichi Sakura So if you take out all the things that were already there.. waving,slides,airwalks, what would you have?

If you knew more about Buckin than what you got from a couple vids on the net, you would never ask such a thing. But the golden question is what would you have if you take the Gangsta Walk and that Memphis soul, flare, and swang out of waving-sliding-gliding?? You'd get this -- Waving, Sliding, Gliding (what you're trying to make Buckin out as "just being"):

<<-- Waving, Sliding and Poppin, but not Jookin/Buckin.



But anyway, Kunoichi Sakura, other than watching a few video's on YouTube (which are mostly the same couple people, most of which being poor to average), what do you really know about Buckin? Have you ever been to Memphis and seen the real heads in action? How long have you known about it? It made it's first appearance on the internet only 3 months ago.

[Commander Keen]

I saw some folks in Pomona at a "buck battle" and it didn't look at all like that Memphis buckin. I wonder if California buck just takes the name from buckin?

All very interesting! I really like it.

[Kunoichi Sakura]

What you see kids in Detroit doing today is not over 75 years old... And if the "over 75 year old" dances you're referring to are Jitterbugging and the James Brown type "footworking", then it's not even a Detriot phenomenon to begin with.

lmao, How would you know? I guess you've never took into consideration evolution. What was Jitterbugging became the Jit style "WE" have. Your talking about James Brown, I'am talking about a style that evolved from decades ago.

If you knew more about Buckin than what you got from a couple vids on the net, you would never ask such a thing. But the golden question is what would you have if you take the Gangsta Walk and that Memphis soul, flare, and swang out of waving-sliding-gliding?? You'd get this -- Waving, Sliding, Gliding (what you're trying to make Buckin out as "just being"):

LOL, Yeah ok.... buckin doesn't invovle slides, glides, or waving at all.....

But anyway, Kunoichi Sakura, other than watching a few video's on YouTube (which are mostly the same couple people, most of which being poor to average), what do you really know about Buckin? Have you ever been to Memphis and seen the real heads in action? How long have you known about it? It made it's first appearance on the internet only 3 months ago.

Only what some people from Memphis I saw at a club about a year 1/2 told me about and showed me. So since thats been established how much do you know about Jit? How many "real heads" have you seen in action in person?
How many people have to talked to from Detroit that were really into Jit?

Your so set on trying to say that buckin is original that your denying the existence of styles that are essential in buckin, LOL. Is it unique? Yes. 100% Oringinal... NO.

You said it yourself.. it started in the 80's. Slides and glides, airwalks, waving and Jitting was around before the 80's so I'll leave it at that because this conversation is pointless.

[xZEUSo]

Originally Posted by Kunoichi Sakura lmao, How would you know? I guess you've never took into consideration evolution. What was Jitterbugging became the Jit style "WE" have. Your talking about James Brown, I'am talking about a style that evolved from decades ago. LOL, Yeah ok.... buckin doesn't invovle slides, glides, or waving at all..... Only what some people from Memphis I saw at a club about a year 1/2 told me about and showed me. So since thats been established how much do you know about Jit? How many "real heads" have you seen in action in person? How many people have to talked to from Detroit that were really into Jit? Your so set on trying to say that buckin is original that your denying the existence of styles that are essential in buckin, LOL. Is it unique? Yes. 100% Oringinal... NO. You said it yourself.. it started in the 80's. Slides and glides, airwalks, waving and Jitting was around before the 80's so I'll leave it at that because this conversation is pointless.

Ms Kuniochi, what u are mistakenly trying to do is say that Buckin (Jookin was the term when I was younger) is a hybrid of Jit and what have you simply because both dances involve "body movement".... thats all the two have in common, the movement of ones body... heck people have been moving their bodies to song since forever, that doesnt mean that all other styles created since the first ever known dance is derived from that. Moving ones arms, legs and occasionally sliding across the floor does NOT qualify that as Buckin!! I grew up on dance teams in Memphis, and I can tell you that no matter my dance experience I could NEVER catch on to Buckin/Jookin/Choppin. I could do bits and pieces of it, but it is too intricate in its detail for more to link. I am like most Memphians who can Gangsta Walk but cannot Juke/Buck/Chop. If u watch Dragon Ball Z then u can kind of gather what Im sayin.... its similar to a saiyan fighter from DBZ who is at a certain fightin level (here the level is Gangsta Walkin) but then you have other fighters who have ascended to a whole new level (Super Saiyan which is what Buckin is). Now with that said, I CAN in fact imitate your Jitten and what have you and many of those who buck can to.... thats basically what the fellow above attempted to relay when he said others can Jit but because u can Jit doesnt mean u can Buck.

By the way, just like there are different levels of Super Saiyans, there too are different levels of Buckin.

[xZEUSo]

Also keep in mind that most Memphians who Buck have never been outside Memphis for the most parts. Its kinda hard to imitate something when u've never visited these other areas. Remember folks, this style basically came from the lower income areas were kids were lucky to have enough money to keep decent shoes on their feet let alone travel the continent. Besides, the man even provided a video from 1993 that explains how Buckin evolved. I am 29 and still go to dance spots, but I dont gangsta walk much anymore because I am not 16 anymore.... instead, I let the new breed carry on the tradition.. I'm just glad I was at leats apart of Gangsta Walkin when it did originate in Memphis along with the many songs by the recent Oscar winning Triple Six Mafia which chanted "Tear da Club Up!" or "Get Buck!"

By the way, Mosh pits were around way before Gangsta Walkin but they are not the same either incase u were wondering.... Have a nice day folks

[xZEUSo]

By the way, that article you posted (which was of course bias because it is a DETROIT based article to begin with) further explains why the two styles are way different. The vid from that link looks more like an African tribal rain dance than anything... which leads back to the argument I posed in my first post. Tune your tv to the discovery channel and discover that you MuSt enjoy rain and folk dancing if you think jittin is hittin.

[Kunoichi Sakura]

Yawn..... nobody cares anymore. If you guys still don't get the point by now you never will. Go research dances and styles OUTSIDE of Memphis that have been around much longer than the 80's( NOT JUST JIT). Thats the whole problem. Go take a trip to say Cali and I bet you'll be surprised at what you see.

Btw.... who said jittin was "hittin"? You think Jit is African rain dancing? LMFAO. As far as that article being 'biased" I guess then your opinon and the other guy's opinon would be biased and unrealiable also since your from Memphis..... right? Or is there a double standard? But don't worry about answering that rhetorical question cause I'am not responding anyway. GO DO RESEARCH!

[IMnotGarbage]

Originally Posted by Kunoichi Sakura Yawn..... nobody cares anymore. If you guys still don't get the point by now you never will. Go research dances and styles OUTSIDE of Memphis that have been around much longer than the 80's( NOT JUST JIT). Thats the whole problem. Go take a trip to say Cali and I bet you'll be surprised at what you see. Btw.... who said jittin was "hittin"? You think Jit is African rain dancing? LMFAO. As far as that article being 'biased" I guess then your opinon and the other guy's opinon would be biased and unrealiable also since your from Memphis..... right? Or is there a double standard? But don't worry about answering that rhetorical question cause I'am not responding anyway. GO DO RESEARCH!

Bottom line is memphis buckin is very hard to mimic unlike some of these other dances. "Yawn.....nobody cares anymore?" I care alot. Don't get upset because they told you what was up and you have your facts wrong Sakura. Go on youtube and look at some of the memphis buckin videos. You will be amazed at some. Not saying all of them are good, but the ones that really know how to "buck" (not that crumpin ish) will show you what Zeus and Sth memphis were talking about.

[MeltinBradley]

Someone just got clowned....
Sakura, i think youre the one that doesnt get it...and I dont think you ever will...but thats ok, cuz neither do your other internet buddies. Have a nice day! God bless! Peace.

[xZEUSo]

Originally Posted by Kunoichi Sakura Yawn..... nobody cares anymore. If you guys still don't get the point by now you never will. Go research dances and styles OUTSIDE of Memphis that have been around much longer than the 80's( NOT JUST JIT). Thats the whole problem. Go take a trip to say Cali and I bet you'll be surprised at what you see. Btw.... who said jittin was "hittin"? You think Jit is African rain dancing? LMFAO. As far as that article being 'biased" I guess then your opinon and the other guy's opinon would be biased and unrealiable also since your from Memphis..... right? Or is there a double standard? But don't worry about answering that rhetorical question cause I'am not responding anyway. GO DO RESEARCH!

One things for sure, rain dance was indeed around be4 buckin... so was the electric slide... the twist.... chubby checkers and ballet to name a few(buckin stole from all of these Im sure based on Kunichi). Another things that is for sure is that if any of your top jitter-hitters come to Memphis sportin a Memphis Grizzlies jersey and do their best routine in the club, no one will say to themselves or others "Oh my god, he is buckin out the frame!!".... what they probably would say is "Damm, dude is gay as hell!!" or something along those lines. When you were in Memphis why didnt you put that to the test (or have your man do it)?? Surely u felt at home at the club bein that the dance was some familiar (not)......

(By the way, I know Konichi wasnt being serious.... she just enjoys the male attention. Being that she is kinda cute I decided to provide her with what she wanted. )

[beatmaster]

ay yall..this gettin outta hand...everybody loves a lil debate now and then....buckin is a combination of many styles....u cant put a finger on it.....u can try, and maybe get close, but no memphian, or anyone else in the U.S. or world can truly describe EVERY style that its based from...the reason is because the memphis buckin style is dependent on the person doing it...one of the main points is to MAKE IT YOUR OWN!!!!....now i aint coem here to start no ish, but dang...sit back and think yall...

[xZEUSo]

That first young cat buckin to that classic MJ-G and 8ball took me back to early 90s. Mane them were the days...

[HKS]

they buckin hard damnzzz

[xZEUSo]

Here is another vid I like from the buckin scene. I like how the dancer commits to his character in this one.. plus the moves he puts together are raw as heck too.



By the way, if any of u cats read any of the earlier posts let it be noted that there never was any beef against anyone for their ideas and opinions. Sometimes when I see the new schoolers buck I sense that maybe the old art form is lost (which would never be mistaken for anyother style) but like someone said many of the new schoolers never knew about the old styles given their age... the good thing is that it is resurfacing which is good along with the newer styles.