[Robotnick]

Yo Invent! Good to see you out there spreading the word! Just wanted to point out some specifics.

Boogaloo started sometime during the mid 60s in Oakland California. Not the boogaloo that James Brown does, dancers would always do a movement followed by a stop, or the hit.

In 1971 Willie Randolph started the first Boogaloo stepping group, called the Black Resurgents. They preformed at the Black Panther rallies, and were a singing group as well as a dancing group, taking influence from groups such as the Temptations and the Four Tops. Group stepping became popular, and they would preform at talent shows throughout Oakland and the Bay Area through the early 80s.

When other cities in the Bay saw what Oakland was doing, they re-interpreted Boogaloo into dances that became known as Robot and eventually Strutting. Different areas were known for both group styles and solo styles. Street mimes like Shields and Yarnell and Robin Williams also had an influence on dancers, inspiring them to bring a much more realistic robot in their dance.

For more information, check out the interviews on 4dapoppers.com under Plik Plok and Audionauts (this is my first post here and it wont let me copy paste the link)

also, theres an hour long radio interview with Poptart, Plik Plok, Chuck from the Messengers, and Doc Lock. Just follow the "B.R.S.A.A. International" link, and its under "KPOO 89.5" at brsaa.com

Peace

[Aliv3]

why does it matter who created popping???....lol
knowing who created Popping has nothing to do with u Popping.

[NiceGuy]

Originally Posted by Aliv3 why does it matter who created popping???....lol knowing who created Popping has nothing to do with u Popping.

Knowing the history of Popping is quite good actually...U can actually knoe wat ur doing, and theres nothing bad about knowing the history of your dance...

[TTR8AX]

the video above has nothing to do with my question.

poppin and boogaloo ain't the same at all, right?

i always thought that poppin was the umbrella term for all those styles but from what i know now... even king tut was a popper/EB, but most tutters on videos these days don't really pop... and robotin is a legit lockin move...

sometimes, studyin history sucks.

[TheAsian21]

Cool Beans(^__^)

[FunkstylerJ]

This topic has already been debated between Demons and the EB's.
Here is Mr. Wiggles thoughts on Poppin History (My apologies if this is a repost)
I think it'll clarify some misnomers.
Respect

MY THOUGHTS ON POPPIN History I myself just like any other popper have been researching this dance for a while now. And up until the point I started meeting people like THE BOOGALOOS, DANA, FAYZO, AND ALL OF DEMONS, as well as many other individuals. I had thought that it was a sparatic thing that was created by many people. But from all of my conversations I could be easily misled to believing just that. But what I found was the DANCE SPEAKS THE TRUTH IN ITSELF...... Through all of the talk about what SAM and THE BOOGALOOS did or didn't create. and from being so confused over these issues and listening to all the arguments. i found that the real truth is in the language of all these dancers. and to be quite honest, when I look at SAM dance I find that there are no other dancers from that era (that I have seen) that can do what SAM did. (Now this is from what I've seen for my own eyes). And what I notice is that these arguments are not over who created POPPIN, but over who created the language and words that are used to describe these movements. Because what DEMONS consider popin and what SAM considers poppin are two different things. And mind you , I LOVE AND RESPECT BOTH STYLES AND THE PEOPLE THAT DO THEM AS WELL. I watched the brothas from DEMONS pop as individuals (them brothas is incredible!!!), and love what they have taken time to teach me, but I see a big difference in technique. I look up to DEMONS the same way that I look up too THE BOOGALOOS. But I cant front on what my eyes are telling me. And I wasn't around to witness what them brothas have seen so I can only rely on what is in front of me. And from what I see, SAM CREATED THE DANCE THAT HE DOES. Now if we get into influences, SAM has always acknowledged to me and everyone that he speaks to that he was inspired by many people and things. SHIELDS, CARTOONS, JAMES BROWN, THE ROBOT, AND THE LATEST DANCES THAT EXISTED IN HIS ERA. But he brought something to the game that wasn't none of these things. You see SAM wasn't trying to be a robot, or a mime, or a creature, and SAM has openly admitted to seeing all of the latest dances that were around from STICKIN, STRUTTIN, and so forth. But SAM WAS TRYING TO TURN ALL OF HIS INFLUENCES INTO A DANCE. IM sure that people like IRON MAN WAS TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING. But my question is, did he do what SAM did????? IRON MAN was an innovator as well and deserves equal props as a legend. again I am still not as knowledgeable as the people that I learned from. So I rely on there actual dances that I have witnessed. But here are some other points that I thought of that might give some insight on how IM drawing my opinions. 1) if the word POPPIN or BOOGALOO (not the original dance the boogaloo but the dance that SAM refers to) existed before SAM, then why is it that the groups before him never applied it to there crew names or nick names, BLACK RESURGENCE, GRANNY AND THE ROBOTRONIX, PLAYBOYS INC., DEMONS OF THE MIND, CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, IRON MAN, FRISCO, MECHANICAL DEVICES, STEPTRONIX, ELECTROIDS,LIVE INC.,UFO'S ECT.. if you notice all of the names you will see more references to the ROBOT than to the word POPPIN and BOOGALOO. but if you look at the names that existed during the BOOGALOO'S TIME you will see more references to POPPIN AND BOOGALOO... BOOGALOO SHRIMP, POP N TACO, POPPIN PETE, BOOGALOO SAM, AND EACH MEMBER HAD A NAME THAT WAS SYMBOLIC OF THERE STYLE- TICKIN WILL, SCARECROW SCALLY, TWISTO FLEX DON, ECT... TO ME IT SOUNDS AND LOOKS LIKE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, TWO DIFFERENT DANCE STYLES..ONE ERA WAS MORE ROBOTIC AND THE OTHER ERA WAS MORE DANCE. Again these are my opinions. 2) SAM and the original BOOGALOOS were from a small farm town, they were a little isolated, so it is possible that they interpreted different movement from the influences. Just like the east coast and the west coast interpreted different styles of dance to the same James brown funk. LOCKIN AND BBOYIN, even in NYC there are two totally different versions of what BREAKIN IS. the early 70's era is totally different from what the mid 70's era . as it stands, my arguments my be pointless to the people that were actually there. But it is all I have to base my opinions on. In any case my respect goes out to all of the originators that shaped and molded this art form that I have been blessed to learn. It has taken me all around the world and back, and I thank each and every one of these pioneers for there blood sweat and inspirations. PEACE OUT.

[InventFMC]

**clap clap clap**




Congrats on your amazing amounts of fail.

[FunkstylerJ]

A short clip of OAKLAND BOOGALOO. Oaklands style of dance also called Boogaloo (not to be confused with Electric Boogaloo from Fresno) is a dance done back in the day in Oakland. The hips go from side to side, back and forth, the arms up, out ,across , and over the head, in a smooth motion, as the hips go side to side. The feet pivot back forth--Poppin Jrock ABM Crew

"we say this is a fact BOOGALOO STARTED IN NYC PERIOD "--Mr. Wiggles

http://mrwiggleshiphop.yuku.com/topic/8496

"me, Stretch, Poppin Pete, Moncel and a few other brothas have been diggin into this topic for a few years now, and all concluded that the original Boogaloo is from NYC "--Mr. Wiggles

http://mrwiggleshiphop.yuku.com/topic/8496

SAM did not get BOOGALOO from the NYC BOOGALOO BAY AREA BOOGALOO (if it is based off of the above clip) is def based off the original BOOGALOO"--Mr. Wiggles

http://mrwiggleshiphop.yuku.com/topic/8496

AND SINCE THE BAY AREA'S BOOGALOO WAS AN IMITATION OF THE ORIGINAL NY BOOGALOO,WHICH IS AN IMITATION OF THE ORIGINAL,ORIGINAL CUBAN BUGALOO....--Buddha Stretch

http://www.westcoastpoppin.com/poppi...?t=3579&page=5


"Oakland Boogaloo" is an imitation of the original NY Boogaloo. Not to be confused with the Boogaloo that Sam created. They are unrelated. This is from various sources, some very recent.

[BboyNiblet]

The wonders of evolution! GJ :]

[FunkstylerJ]

You mods might as well close this thread
before getting PWN3D even further:
Correct Terminology

[InventFMC]

**yawn**

[PoppinMute]

Am I the only one who really dosent give a shit about the history of poppin and just do it?
The only thing I do is give my respect to all the pioneers, but I dont give a shit who started it, as long as its here .

[Newcomb]

Actually the robot started with this man.. And all the pioneers of the dance will contest to it..
Back as early as the 60's this guy was doin it..

Than the pioneers just put it to music.. Here is a clip from his show that was on TV.. but he started as a street performer.

[InventFMC]

Yea no.

Shields def helped propel the robot. But it's been done since the 1800's.... starting with the ballet "Coppelia."

Long story short- it's about a mechanical girl.

[Newcomb]

Originally Posted by InventFMC Yea no. Shields def helped propel the robot. But it's been done since the 1800's.... starting with the ballet "Coppelia." Long story short- it's about a mechanical girl.

Ok yea if you want to take it that far back .. cool. I admire you thirst for knowledge.. But the poineers didn't start it from some girl in the 1800's.. When they were kids they watched this guy, and the chitty chitty bang bang and stuff similar..