[InventFMC]

EDIT:

I never said specifically, but:

Strutting is from San Francisco

Boogaloo is from Oakland


Those are more specifics for y'all.

[dtdancer]

If the EB's are saying that MJ stole the popping moves and gave no credit..

then this is pretty funny seeing as how they didnt invent much in the first place..so why the blame game?

[Danis Kool]

Originally Posted by dtdancer If the EB's are saying that MJ stole the popping moves and gave no credit.. then this is pretty funny seeing as how they didnt invent much in the first place..so why the blame game?

Like i said on wcp... if the EBs want credit for MJ for taking "Pete's kick" then Boogaloo Sam should give credit to the old man that inspired him to create the move "the old man".

[Danis Kool]

Originally Posted by 2(s)hawt nice one invent i took a sugapop workshop about 2 weeks ago..and asked some questions not really regarding the history..i didnt wanna be too confrontational. although i might know his answer... but the rest of the students have to know.. i mean whether or not he is right...they need to think for themselves too...otherwise they just gonna believe whatever someone says..if they have great charismatic abilities like suga i questioned him though when he said popping came from this area..and i asked him what about the areas around it in LA (like the bay area) but he reckons they were just doing a waterdowned version of water sam was doing the best thing is to research..the history is important...to create a new future..we need to understand the past right?

Haha, who else will be asking the hard questions if we weren't there? Some ppl already deemed us 'disrespectful' cus "no one questions Suga"... wtf is that all about?

Its just like doing an essay for school/college/uni wotever. You dont just use one reference for your essay (cus it could be wrong or bias). You have to pick from a variety of sources and then form your conclusion from that.

Sad thing is some people are not bothered to look for other sources or choose to believe on that one source... even if that ONE source is correct, for an open minded person they will eventually find their way to the truth. People who are narrowed minded take it how it is and hopes that the stuff they believe in is the truth.... hmm wot happens if its not? They make it the truth (with the numbers game)?

Its like finding your dream job, if you dont look you wont find. And how would u know if the job that your working is your dream one, esp if you havent got something to compare it to? You will never know.


What if Sam improved on what was popping, that could explain why Suga might be saying "They did a watered down version". Then u can say his an innovator rather than a creator. Did Sam make a mistake when he announced that he created Poppin on tv? Was it a lie? Or is other people trying to take credit from him?

Like Invent said... whats odd is that the EBs keep changing the year that Sam invented popping, ever since the other OGs came forward. The question is why?

[bboyjwonder]

Originally Posted by Danis Kool Like i said on wcp... if the EBs want credit for MJ for taking "Pete's kick" then Boogaloo Sam should give credit to the old man that inspired him to create the move "the old man".

especially considering mj was doing the kick back in the early 70s when was with the J5

Has Suga Pop been to any of the recent jams here in the Bay. I haven't seen any advertising him

And didn't he just join the EBs in '97?

[Desi Boogie]

From what Connor told me and what i've heard, Suga has a real bad attitude and doesn't go to too many jams cause he has a horrible attitude in battles, getting into fights and whatnot.

You know, most OG's apart from Slick and a few others really don't seem to have a good attitude about dancing itself. Pity to see such petty squabbling over the true origins of a great dance.

Peace

[wavedash]

Originally Posted by Desi Boogie You know, most OG's apart from Slick and a few others really don't seem to have a good attitude about dancing itself. Pity to see such petty squabbling over the true origins of a great dance. Peace

I disagree.

The only OGs notorious for starting shit are the EBs.
Although now, in some respects, Slick as well.

[MeltinBradley]

This has nothing to do with the origins of popping and all that other BS. But I found this clip from a movie that I would like to share with you guys. I first saw the movie as a kid and didnt care at the time. Then I saw it again when I first started getting into dancing and it blew my mind, then years later I found it on youtube, and though its not as impressive as when I first saw it, its still real good.
This was from a disney movie called Bedknobs and Broomsticks (1971), the scene is called Portobello Road. Now there is a lot of dancing in this almost 8 minute scene but what I want you to check out specifically is this old white dude at 4:20. Its not popping but its clean, and the foot work is good.
Unfortunately I dont know how to set up links to things. So just youtube Bedknobs and broomsticks, hit the portobello road, and watch it or go straight to 4:20. If someone could post it under here that would be great. Enjoy. MB

[Bugeto]

lmfao dude was slick as hell

[MeltinBradley]

Thanks for putting up the clip Bugeto. Yeah, hes clean huh? They always have some weird shit on those old movies. I bet theres hella more footage out of random people doing things we can relate too.

[bboyjwonder]

That was hella cool. If you watch movies from the 1930s and 40s, you'll see alot more, especially films featuring The Nicholas Brothers or Fred Astaire

[Mogwai]

That dude in bedknobs was very very cool! that definitely counts as waving of some sort, with isolated floating footwork. Loved it! tnx Meltin and Bug...

This thread really is fascinating - but one of the clips is dead unfortunately, the third one invent posted. edit: paste http://www.youtube.com/v/DuYqpWVAiz4&amp into IE and you can get to it. Might have been bandwidth problems.....

I'd like to see it.

In summary - I always knew that to have one person design, refine and perfect such a broad array of techniques into what is now called "popping" (or whichever term you prefer to use) was too much to handle.

On the other hand - noone can contest that sam is one of the dopest cats, and he obviously took those ideas and mixed them together better than most of his contemporaries. Please note the "most". There are so many dope dancers from back then, different styles, different flavours. It should not and could not come down to just one person/group/area.

Thanks for putting this info down Invent; I remember when i tried to summarise the history of popping in my ill conceived forum some time back, you posted saying "nice try, but bullshit" in the nicest way you could. I took it down after that as I realised I would be unable to research enough from the uk to do the subject justice....

But the real question is - When does mooncricket finish his video? I've been waiting even longer for that than I have for the new g-style dvd which was promised 3 years ago.......

Why does all the best knowledge get shelved/delayed so long?

Waveos video has also been two years in the making.......

(throws rattle out of pram)

[Chippa]

you can re open this thread if needed....delete this post if you do.

[kidd205]

Originally Posted by InventFMC Thanks to bboyjwonder for posting this vid in another post... Are you guys ready SEE some original popping??? (Including some bay boogaloo- which predates Boogaloo Sam??)

those guys were sick mayn nice find

[popaz]

I don't know about the history of poppin as well as many of you here, but I'd like to drop my two cents:

its almost impossible to create something completely new - name an invention or idea that wasn't rooted in something else. So to say all the elements of a dance were originally developed by a person or even a select group of people is ridiculous. There's a quote that commonly attributed to einstein that I think fits well into this conversation: "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources". So basically the dance was developed by people adapting what they saw from other things (consciously or unconsciously), whether it was from movies, songs, dance, people on the street, nature, whatever...