[dbaznxdragon]

chris...ur merely supporting a stereotype about abstract bboys

i'll break it.

[~christyles~]

Yesterday, 07:20 PM

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yo this aint an arguement about whos a real bboy or not, im just sayin when it comes to BATTLING (cypher battles, the REAL shit) *most* flexi bboys cant cut it

call me retarded, but i do believe i said *most* in that post?

and i think the term most excludes all but implies a large percent

and i am aware that NYC contains no abstract bboys, aware that NYC is the birthplace of hip-hop and bboying, and aware that the nastiest bboys reside in NYC

you see to me, yuo need foundations to be a good bboy. if you odnt have the foundations, then your not a *GOOD* bboy. and of course there are different levels too that, but how can i consider some dude with sloppy footwork, pausing to throw his leg behind his head then jump up and land on his shoulder foundation? and im aware that they KNOW they are not doing foundations, and they wanna make osmetihng more out of the dance than the norm, but its kinda like if oyu aint doin foundations, you aint bboyin. if you aint hittin beats and flowin with the music, you aint bboyin.

same concept can be applied with soccer. if your only usin your feet, and your kickin a ball into a goal that is gaurded by a goalie, along with other soccer rules, then your playing soccer. if one of those rules changes, (AKA you throw the ball in) than your not playing soccer anymore.

in bboying, if your rockin the foundations and the roots of the dance, then your bboying. if you start incorporating other crazy moves (flexi-shit) that are out of place and arent rockin the roots of the dance, than your not bboying anymore. it just pisses me off sometimes to see dudes roll around on the floor with their legs in crazy positions and they call it bboying

i know that the dance is evolving, and if you wanna dance crazy go ahead, if u wanna do yoga moves go ahead, but the wohle point of this arguement was that flexi bboys suck at BATTLING. if you do flexi shit and wanna dance man cool thats your thing dance yourself till you pass out, but dont run up in the CIRCLE throwin your leg behind your head and doin crab freezes.

point of this all is: *MOST* flexi-bboys dont know thier ROOTS or choose to not show it (in which case i find there making a mockery of bboying) they cant ROCK IT IN CYPHERS, AND CYPHERS ARE THE HEART OF BBOYING. most of yall havent been up enough to realize this, but the cypher is where you get respect. you either eat or get eaten. bboying is moving too far from its roots and more towards the showy, stage battle aspect.

so kid, dont become a flexi-bboy, learn your foundation. if your out for money, then stage battles with flexi-cats might be your thing. if your lookin for respect, then keep it real. thats talk from EXPERIANCE

[Vice President]

^he's right.

most "abstract" bboys have SLOPPY ASS foundation. if you watch battles of law, he's a prime example of what christyles is talking about. some of the other circus runaways/bham tribe bboys have really upped their foundation game though, so good for them.

but it's true about how abstract bboys who flow without doing traditional foundational moves are dope. paranoid android is a perfect example. a lot of socal heads, actually, are improving their abstract style to make it look more like a dance than a circus act. you could even say kujo is abstract because he doesn't "bboy" in the usual sense of the word anymore.

hell, a lot of those japanese bboys are just in another world with their dancing hahah.

[dbaznxdragon]

i have to disagree, i know many abstract BBOYS. period

one of the core members of my crew has circus/abstract style but can do better "foundation" than many other bboys i know...he just chooses to throw in some flexibility moves in there. you see, the problem is assumption. people assume that someone can't do something if they don't throw it in their set at all. if i throw down a set without toprocking do you really think i just can't toprock? flexible bboys still do use some toprock...toprock is foundation...are they still not using foundation becuase their footwork is different?

btw the soccer analogy is great and all...but soccer is a sport with DEFINITE rules...there are no rules in bboying, it's ambiguous...soccer isn't a form of expression

bboying isn't just a "dance", it's an evolution. and the same could be said for power heads, but not all power heads lack foundation.

[Vice President]

to me, there are two types of "abstract" bboys.
wack and good
shitty foundation and dope foundation
crazy shit with no flow and crazy shit with good flow
law and paranoid android

DAH. of course not all abstract bboys are wack and dont have foundation, but a lot of them only see it for the flexi moves and blowups, kinda like how a lot of wack bboys only see bboying for the power moves.

[Ziveeman]

Originally Posted by Vice President

DAH. of course not all abstract bboys are wack and dont have foundation, but a lot of them only see it for the flexi moves and blowups, kinda like how a lot of wack bboys only see bboying for the power moves.

That's pretty much my entire point.

Some abstract bboys see things a different way, some that do foundation and some that don't, kinda how like other bboys see things a different way, aka powerheads and styleheads.

[dbaznxdragon]

dancers in general see things a different way than others. doesn't mean they aren't dancers.

bboying thrives out of new inventions...let it continue thriving

[BbOyJeOpArDy]

Originally Posted by ~christyles~

and ive been to my fare of jams in the NY area and i can tell you i dont think i have ever seen a flexi-bboy in the cypher

i can tell, especially since you live in germany

[BbOyJeOpArDy]

Originally Posted by Vice President

to me, there are two types of "abstract" bboys.
wack and good
shitty foundation and dope foundation
crazy shit with no flow and crazy shit with good flow
law and paranoid android

umm, tom, i think that's 8

Originally Posted by BbOyJeOpArDy

i can tell, especially since you live in germany

owned.

[Vice President]

Originally Posted by BbOyJeOpArDy

umm, tom, i think that's 8

mm imagine a vertical column going down separating left from right. haha.

[dbaznxdragon]

lol he knows VP, he's jus bein sarcastic

[~christyles~]

actually, i live in berlin, CT, about 2 hours from NYC



good call kid



and VP agrees cause hes been in the game long enough to know wtf im talking about.

and dbxdragon i dont think your grasping what i mean by "foundation"......foundation as in that old-school clean footwork and toprock style. peep teknyc, elmo, or anyone on RSC and thats what i mean. when i say foundation i dont mean toprock and downrock in a general sense, because there alot of toprock and downrock moves that arent even close to be considered foundation.......and trust, if a person has GOOD CLEAN foundation, theres no way in hell your gonna see them doing blow-ups and flexi-moves, because foundation cats all have the same old-school mind-set, which is why they spend there time focusing on clean downrock and toprock instead of tricks and shit. even if they can do all those tricks, there not gonna throw down blow-ups in a cypher or battle because foundation cats dont see that as real dancing.......

im just here to preach the word of foundationalism, and fuck around with all you kiddies who are still strung on bboy.org and have yet to get out into the scene