[koreansurfer123]

I havn't been really dancing much myself really..well I know alot about dancing and i understand alot of it and i've been trying to actually put that knowledge to use and actually TRY dancing..i thought wats the use of knowing alot of moves nd being able to think of dance moves to songs if i can't dance myself lol..so yea i have alot problems with dancing haha but the only one ima ask for advice on today would be well popping/hitting.

Hitting is basically flexing and relaxing the muscles of that area quickly..thats the basic definition of it..from wat i learned.

For me i have to understand it with my head fully before i can understand how to do the move physcially so im pretty damn logical -_- sadly..lol

So when you hit do you flex your muscles just enough for the muscles to pop out or make it look like its popping out? or Do you just flex as hard as you can and release?

When i try to "hit" i basicaly do it in 2 ways i guess one way i just flex nd release but not hard or anything but then when i originally tried i kept flexing or hitting so hard that my arm kinda uhm vibrates? or shakes? is that wats suppose to happen or is that what people mean by flexing? i could never understand this -_-. BUT even if i do it in both ways my arm still moves and My friend he pops or is a popper w/e and says that when you hit your suppose flex nd release or "hit" like your moving nd u just stop like jerky stop so after u flex ur not suppose to be moving nd he told me i keep moving i guess..

omg this is hard to explain basically can you guyz tell me what "hitting" REALLY is and if that shaking thing is normal or its something ur not suppose to do?

oh and this is just my arms i can do a chest hit fine......nd i'll post up a vid

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[poppu]

Umm, I am only a begineer, but I think its normal to shake at the start. Once you get accustomed to tensing and releasing your muscles, your arms will stop shaking. At least, that's what happened for me :P

[dtdancer]

First off, lol, no moves, i'll keep reminding this, u should NOT be learning moves, as they are bad, very bad, u should be coming out with ideas/concept that u can apply to the music. One such idea/concept is hitting (not a move, as a move is defined as a singular movement that is done and cannot be changed since it would become another "move")

To hitting now. Im not going into the different variation of hits in great detail but this is the basic gist of what it is.

The plain hit itself is done to the clap of the music (usually), and primarily consists of TENSING and RELAXING of the muscles in ur body (its variable whether it is to one specific part or the body as a whole). This is done throughout the duration of the clap (on the 2 and the 4 counts in the music usually and its a resounding clapping sound, and it is very short)

Now to answer ur question: should ur muscles vibrate or not. The short answer is a no, if ur muscles are shaking, it means that u are tensing for far too long and this is making ur muscles vibrate. What u are aiming to do however, is to tense ur muscles as HARD as u can, and relax when the clap finishes (0.5 second), so ur muscles should never have the time to be able to vibrate. It should just be simple flex and relax.

What u want to do is, move to a position (called an angle, yes chippa, im saying that), stop entirely and tense the muscles and relax on the clap and move again. That in itself is the essence of popping (the real term), its coming up with different angles and hitting on the beat.

Good luck, upload another video for more info, cos i cbf looking at the vid

[HKflame]

hope this clear things up quickly
1. hitting you tense and quickly relax, the quicker you can relax, the faster you'll be able to hit your next hit
2. how much power you want to hit is determined by how much you actually tense up. the more you tense up the bigger the "hit" effect should be
3. with saying that you tense up as hard as possible is great but now comes in the technical part of it. a "clean" hit will not vibrate you or move you. it should come out as a sharp clean BAM. watch popping onion and you'll know wat i mean.
like poppu said, it's all about practise. one thing that's going to help you a lot is learning your dimestops. learn to stop and then hit. if it's right it should come out as a clean BAM.
a funny analogy i made up is that when you hit you turn super saiyan for a split second. if you watch goku, he doesn't actually move when he turns super saiyan, he just stands then and BAM he's super saiyan.. anyways ignore this last part if it confuses you. just watch popping onion hahah

[HKflame]

ps: i just watched your clip, both hitting methods look same to me.... remeber SHARP fast hits. tense relax really quickly to create that bam.

[koreansurfer123]

i saw popping onion he was insane -_- when he hit tho it looked like hit so hard he was shaking aha i thought u weren't suppose to do dat >.< eh well ima keep practicing the hitting and post up another vid soon also i've been workin on arm wave i think i have it done i'll post that vid up too thx for the replies everyone ^.^

[HKflame]

there's a distinction between a shake and a big clean hit

[Kaimo]

Watched your video. You seem to be doing fine.

Anyways, lemme just throw out a few tricks of the trade:

1) When you first begin training your muscles to hit (since they obviously do not naturally produce that hitting illusion), it's advisable to hold the hardest flex you can possibly do for 4 counts, relax for 4 counts, and repeat, to condition that muscle into wanting to hit. This works for legs, arms, and neck too (neck and legs are tricky though).

2) When you hit please lock your wrist. There's separate technique in doing the wrist to make it look sharper/harder (it's not Pete's method where he snaps his wrist up). It'll make your hits look cleaner at sharper at the beginning.

3) To produce a nice CLEAN hit, you want to
a. Dimestop cleanly right before your hit.
b. Hold the hit (flexing part) slightly longer then you normally would.
Doing these two things clean up the hit because the hit is almost the only noticeable movement in the body.

4) Practice, practice, practice! And when you do, practice hard. If your conditioning your muscles flex as hard as you can. When you're practicing your hit, flex as hard as you can. It's not saying that you have to do that when you hit all the time (in fact I barely hit 50% in the majority of my popping). It's that you do this so you know your limit. You can increase the limit over time and on average your hits will become harder.

There you go. On a side note let's do high level hitting defining/discussion:

The "shake hit" you guys talk about, there're 2 different versions of it to my knowledge:

Bopping hit (which has another condition behind it) and
Animated hit.

The bopping hit is a very hard hit, that trembles intentionally after the hit has finished. This "shake" after the hit is produced by the popper using vibrational techniques. The vibrational technique is achieved by moving the pieces of the body back and forth very quickly.

VIBRATION IS NOT ACHIEVED THROUGH FLEXING REALLY HARD OR SHAKING AT THE LEGS.

That's bad technique and gives you no control over what you're doing. The bopping hit also carries another condition which is a hit without any previous momentum. Like I explained above, to get a nice crisp clean hit you want to dimestop before your hit. The dimestop before the hit creates additional illusion to the hit that makes it look sharper because the momentum in the movement beforehand is completely taken out of the piece of the body that is hitting (like miming/hitting a wall). The boppers hit moves to achieve the powerful clean hit without needing that.

The animated hit is a little more simple to explain, but still incredibly difficult to achieve... *edit* had to take out the rest of the animated hit stuff because my friend didn't want it out there. Sorry folks

[aciddrops]

^ Good stuff, Kaimo. I also recall that there is no true "hitting" in bopping? The illusion of the hit is actually from the inertia/lost momentum as you mentioned from extremely hard/clean dimestops. I could be wrong, but it's another approach, I suppose.

[HKflame]

kaimo you have such good knowledge on poppingTt.Tt jealous>><

[koreansurfer123]

So yea i well practiced like...2 times before this vid...since last post....i should practice more >.< but yea here it is

OH and i forgot to say in the vid that around 1:00 or 1:03 or something i tried that excersice where u flex 4 counts nd relax 4 counts and i did that also to show what it looked like when i flexed my hardest lol

[Kaimo]

Whoah! Someone who took my advice seriously for once. I have to thank you for that one.

Waves I'll say you know what you're doing there. Get the basics down and then you can start working on more advanced technique in the isolations, to really smoothe em out.

As for your hits, it looks like you've gotten them to improve a lot in a short time! But then maybe you weren't flexing as hard in your other vid so I dunno, but I see a difference noticeable difference.

The other subtleties of hitting come with time. Just need to practice a lot! Anyways keep up the practicing, you seem to be going in the right direction. You can always hit me up with questions, and I'll try my best not to be too evil and sarcastic with my reply.

Kaimo

[koreansurfer123]

evil nd sarcastic is always good haha mainly because their entertaining comments =]
nywayz i just been working on the arm wave and arm hitting legs will take a bit longer for me to get but i'll get it i really wanna be able to do the animated hit =D

[BboyAxell]

try not to snap back your wrists keep them straight and don't relax them otherwise they will snap back

[Kaimo]

Originally Posted by koreansurfer123

evil nd sarcastic is always good haha mainly because their entertaining comments =]
nywayz i just been working on the arm wave and arm hitting legs will take a bit longer for me to get but i'll get it i really wanna be able to do the animated hit =D

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