On respecting tradition

Gone84 · **On respecting tradition -** 10-24-2007, 05:19 PM

Okay folks here it comes. This rant has been echoed throughout this forum forever and now it gets to be a thread. I have finally come back around to being a little more active in moderating both the forum and the gallery and have come to a few realizations of why the graffiti portion of this site goes up and down in its interest level.

First, the forum. As its been said time and again, "how do i do graffiti" threads are a waste of your time if you are new. READ THE FUCKING THREADS BEFORE POSTING. If you are really interested in learning, you will find advice in the stickies that will last you for YEARS.

Unfortunately, many of the aforementioned toys not only hate being referred to as toys, but will defend it to the point where it becomes a flamewar. You are new, your work will suck until you learn, you are a toy. game over, get over yourself, we've all been there once and some manage even to stay that way for years.

Dearest toy, our art is not a game. It is not something one "plays around with". That "only do it till it stops being fun" ethic is for the cats that have been doing it for awhile. This is not something you half-ass or can learn with 10 minute sketches. There are people that have been doing it for ages and are still learning...myself included. Your ten minute sketches attached with statements like "can someone give me crits on this" are insults both to yourself and to any of us that have actually worked to become skilled in this game. Again, learn what you can, make an honest effort, and then come up to the professionals for assistance with something you are proud of. That is the only way any internet advice can help you. Even better find a living breathing mentor to teach you the real ropes. This is a lifestyle as much as it is a technical craft. I can't speak for anyone but me, but those "give me crits" on half-assed art that insult the ones who bleed for this art will be met only with insult. i hope to hurt your feelings by saying so.

of course, in the same vein, if you seriously want information and not shortcuts, ask and you shall receive. but dont go and challenge the credibility of the dude helping you out. Thats just stupid.

Now for the gallery. If you want to waste precious server space with your wack looking shit that took you 5 minutes then so be it, but expect to be flamed beyond compare. Again, I hope you get your feelings hurt in such a way that will either make you improve or cry yourself away from our precious vocation. We need less wannabe's.

To add to that, if you are not a king and throw a crown on top of your wack little pencil sketch, expect to be flamed hard. If you did that in any of the neighbourhoods i came up in you would be beaten bloody. It takes alot more than even dedicated experience to become king. disrespect kings, expect disrespect and condemnation. Nuff said.

If you are offended by this then you must be guilty of some of the things mentioned. If you think I am being too harsh, then trying pulling some of that bullshit in your nearest city. I hope you have insurance.

iomek · 10-24-2007, 09:26 PM

just read some posts that were deleted on thsi thread before it was locked...

on a note to the thing about writing the letters on your keyboard till you know them inside and out.. i actually started doing that 2 years into writing, and the progression from doing it was amazing.... i honestly wish i had done it when i 1st started writing, but i did it eventually and did it constantly for quite a few months, and managed to see a result (a really good one aswell)...

so listen up toys... start simple... and when i say simple, i mean copy them letters of your fuckin keyboard and turn em into block letters.... keep doing it for a couple of months (or a half a year would be better!) and compare your 1st sketches to the ones your pullin off now.. you'll get a semi!!

once ya get simples down, feel free to hit me up personally (or gone for that matter, sure he wont mind) to find out how you can improve your simples and move on to some extensions and wildstyle shizzle na meaaaaaan!

Gone84 · 11:59 PM

Opening this thread back up, just because its not complete without Meth0d's fractured wit.

Gone84 · 11-04-2007, 04:38 PM

today i am going to start pointing people from the gallery here as i give them all 1's. I invite others to do the same.

Meth0d · 11-05-2007, 02:38 PM

OH YES, that means more arrows to come!

TOYS, coming to a blackbook thread near YOU...

F Stylz · 09-30-2008, 06:09 AM

Hey TOYS.
Just believe in what you're doing is right. Don't care about anything else. Forget what anyone might say on a message board.
Just run kid
RuKid run
Just run

zimster · 09-30-2008, 10:28 PM

Isn't that a bit ironic? Toys believing what they do is right?

Toys have to learn, before they can do it right. That's why they're toys.

Fitwee · 09-30-2008, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Gone84

You are new, your work will suck until you learn, you are a toy. game over, get over yourself, we've all been there once and...

like being a freshman...
Right?

mobber · 10-07-2008, 05:51 PM

Gone , i could'nt have said it better myself, ive been graffin for about 6 yrs now and im still learning, its about practice, commitment, and knowing how to take critisism form professionals and makin your graff better cuz i mean it can only get better. Right? there are no shortcuts ,u start at the bottom and work your way up, u dont do it for fame or money u do it because you like it.

Gone84 · 10-12-2008, 01:35 AM

word. i'm actually writing a book about it while i am deployed lol. gotta do something i guess. but yeah, no one can start in the middle i dont think. the dues must always be paid.

Beat · 11-08-2008, 06:06 AM

Yeah, i've been in the game two years. And I still feel toy, but they say this is where it starts changin. I'll post some flicks in the near future.

clasher4889 · 02-20-2009, 04:48 PM

yo yo yo...guys and girls no need to be so harsh. toys are toys man and everyones gotta start somewhere...encourage them they are the future when we are gone...teach them show them thew way...but toys out there, remember that respect must be earned and all this starting up a crew and acting all hardcore doesn't cut shit in a battle skills is skills work hard and stay up!!!!!!!!!!! Peace...

cranigra · 03-21-2009, 04:27 PM

I agree wit the whole consolidation of the less experienced group on here into a single area instead of them making tons of threads all over the place.. good job. I will certainly be giving as many tips as I can to those who want them and to those who don't, I've studied the art of graff on paper for over 7 years I hope I can help..

chea..

Gone84 · 03-21-2009, 04:57 PM

lol Cran, why is it every time you come around i feel bad for cussin??? anyway, good to see you again.

TTR8AX · 05-30-2009, 11:03 PM

question about tradition:

what're the "rules"?

'cos i'm in a country where, i don't know, we don't have kings, and people have sh*tty handstyle, but are very very good at non-letter throwups and tagging places nobody else can touch.

plus, where do cornbread and the movie bombthesystem fit in?


Beat Member Respect: 1 Posts: 21 Join Date: Mar 2003	11-08-2008, 06:06 AM Yeah, i've been in the game two years. And I still feel toy, but they say this is where it starts changin. I'll post some flicks in the near future.
Beat Member Respect: 1 Posts: 21 Join Date: Mar 2003	Peace out Bro. -Beat

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Gone84 Sol Invictus Respect: 14.5 Posts: 2,232 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Home Sweet Home(finally)	On respecting tradition - 10-24-2007, 05:19 PM Okay folks here it comes. This rant has been echoed throughout this forum forever and now it gets to be a thread. I have finally come back around to being a little more active in moderating both the forum and the gallery and have come to a few realizations of why the graffiti portion of this site goes up and down in its interest level. First, the forum. As its been said time and again, "how do i do graffiti" threads are a waste of your time if you are new. READ THE FUCKING THREADS BEFORE POSTING. If you are really interested in learning, you will find advice in the stickies that will last you for YEARS. Unfortunately, many of the aforementioned toys not only hate being referred to as toys, but will defend it to the point where it becomes a flamewar. You are new, your work will suck until you learn, you are a toy. game over, get over yourself, we've all been there once and some manage even to stay that way for years. Dearest toy, our art is not a game. It is not something one "plays around with". That "only do it till it stops being fun" ethic is for the cats that have been doing it for awhile. This is not something you half-ass or can learn with 10 minute sketches. There are people that have been doing it for ages and are still learning...myself included. Your ten minute sketches attached with statements like "can someone give me crits on this" are insults both to yourself and to any of us that have actually worked to become skilled in this game. Again, learn what you can, make an honest effort, and then come up to the professionals for assistance with something you are proud of. That is the only way any internet advice can help you. Even better find a living breathing mentor to teach you the real ropes. This is a lifestyle as much as it is a technical craft. I can't speak for anyone but me, but those "give me crits" on half-assed art that insult the ones who bleed for this art will be met only with insult. i hope to hurt your feelings by saying so. of course, in the same vein, if you seriously want information and not shortcuts, ask and you shall receive. but dont go and challenge the credibility of the dude helping you out. Thats just stupid. Now for the gallery. If you want to waste precious server space with your wack looking shit that took you 5 minutes then so be it, but expect to be flamed beyond compare. Again, I hope you get your feelings hurt in such a way that will either make you improve or cry yourself away from our precious vocation. We need less wannabe's. To add to that, if you are not a king and throw a crown on top of your wack little pencil sketch, expect to be flamed hard. If you did that in any of the neighbourhoods i came up in you would be beaten bloody. It takes alot more than even dedicated experience to become king. disrespect kings, expect disrespect and condemnation. Nuff said. If you are offended by this then you must be guilty of some of the things mentioned. If you think I am being too harsh, then trying pulling some of that bullshit in your nearest city. I hope you have insurance.
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iomek ORIGINAL BADBOY Respect: 5 Posts: 2,481 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: UK BLUD	10-24-2007, 09:26 PM just read some posts that were deleted on thsi thread before it was locked... on a note to the thing about writing the letters on your keyboard till you know them inside and out.. i actually started doing that 2 years into writing, and the progression from doing it was amazing.... i honestly wish i had done it when i 1st started writing, but i did it eventually and did it constantly for quite a few months, and managed to see a result (a really good one aswell)... so listen up toys... start simple... and when i say simple, i mean copy them letters of your fuckin keyboard and turn em into block letters.... keep doing it for a couple of months (or a half a year would be better!) and compare your 1st sketches to the ones your pullin off now.. you'll get a semi!! once ya get simples down, feel free to hit me up personally (or gone for that matter, sure he wont mind) to find out how you can improve your simples and move on to some extensions and wildstyle shizzle na meaaaaaan!
	-->GRAFF KOBO 07<--


Gone84 Sol Invictus Respect: 14.5 Posts: 2,232 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Home Sweet Home(finally)	10-24-2007, 09:35 PM Opening this thread back up, just because its not complete without Meth0d's fractured wit. Last edited by Gone84 : 10-29-2007 at 11:59 PM.
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Gone84 Sol Invictus Respect: 14.5 Posts: 2,232 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Home Sweet Home(finally)	11-04-2007, 04:38 PM today i am going to start pointing people from the gallery here as i give them all 1's. I invite others to do the same.
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Meth0d fakkelteit Respect: 4 Posts: 784 Join Date: Oct 2005	11-05-2007, 02:38 PM OH YES, that means more arrows to come! TOYS, coming to a blackbook thread near YOU...
	just here to fuck shit up


F Stylz Member Respect: 1.5 Posts: 621 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Minneapolis	09-30-2008, 06:09 AM Hey TOYS. Just believe in what you're doing is right. Don't care about anything else. Forget what anyone might say on a message board. Just run kid RuKid run Just run
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zimster Full Member Respect: 2 Posts: 53 Join Date: Dec 2005	09-30-2008, 10:28 PM Isn't that a bit ironic? Toys believing what they do is right? Toys have to learn, before they can do it right. That's why they're toys.


mobber Member Respect: 2 Posts: 81 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Fresno	10-07-2008, 05:51 PM Gone , i could'nt have said it better myself, ive been graffin for about 6 yrs now and im still learning, its about practice, commitment, and knowing how to take critisism form professionals and makin your graff better cuz i mean it can only get better. Right? there are no shortcuts ,u start at the bottom and work your way up, u dont do it for fame or money u do it because you like it.
	"Life beats down and crushes the soul and art reminds you that you have one"-Stella Adler


Gone84 Sol Invictus Respect: 14.5 Posts: 2,232 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Home Sweet Home(finally)	10-12-2008, 01:35 AM word. i'm actually writing a book about it while i am deployed lol. gotta do something i guess. but yeah, no one can start in the middle i dont think. the dues must always be paid.
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clasher4889 Member Respect: 1 Posts: 66 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: On EARTH somewhere?	02-20-2009, 04:48 PM yo yo yo...guys and girls no need to be so harsh. toys are toys man and everyones gotta start somewhere...encourage them they are the future when we are gone...teach them show them thew way...but toys out there, remember that respect must be earned and all this starting up a crew and acting all hardcore doesn't cut shit in a battle skills is skills work hard and stay up!!!!!!!!!!! Peace...
	BBoy K-Clash


cranigra TwoSidedTagTicklingTyrant Respect: 2 Posts: 343 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Capitol City	03-21-2009, 04:27 PM I agree wit the whole consolidation of the less experienced group on here into a single area instead of them making tons of threads all over the place.. good job. I will certainly be giving as many tips as I can to those who want them and to those who don't, I've studied the art of graff on paper for over 7 years I hope I can help.. chea..
	Romans 7:19-24 C Me Breakin' Here ______ ζсỉρ₤╬


Gone84 Sol Invictus Respect: 14.5 Posts: 2,232 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Home Sweet Home(finally)	03-21-2009, 04:57 PM lol Cran, why is it every time you come around i feel bad for cussin??? anyway, good to see you again.
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TTR8AX -tristan, jmtsgh in bbw Respect: 1.5 Posts: 226 Join Date: May 2009	05-30-2009, 11:03 PM question about tradition: what're the "rules"? 'cos i'm in a country where, i don't know, we don't have kings, and people have sh*tty handstyle, but are very very good at non-letter throwups and tagging places nobody else can touch. plus, where do cornbread and the movie bombthesystem fit in?