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11-03-2003, 05:20 PM
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Talib, with something like hip hop it's naive to listen to what one person says and take it as gospel. That's dumb. Who cares if your "breakdance instructor" used to write back in the day. So did thousands of people. And if he's so knowledgable, he might also inform you that pieces evolved from these so-called bullshit tags. That's real.
Like Evol said, pieces and burners are 2 different things and I think you are talking out of your league by saying that tagging is wack and shit. That's just one aspect of writing, and an aspect that's very important. Just like doing throws, fills, etches, pieces, blackbooking, benching and anything else. Without one of these things, you're not really complete. And sometimes that suits people just fine.
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one more thing, blackbooking is actually sketching. I dont have a blackbook, i draw on papers. A throw up is a messy or a simple graff, something like a tag but bigger and with more colour. It is actually a bomb, it's used to mark territory or simply writing your name across the wall 
No off. F Stylz i just wanna tell you and the others that they shouldn't be getting into naming and categorising every aspect of writing.
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11-03-2003, 06:51 PM
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11-03-2003, 07:35 PM
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one more thing, blackbooking is actually sketching. I dont have a blackbook, i draw on papers. A throw up is a messy or a simple graff, something like a tag but bigger and with more colour. It is actually a bomb, it's used to mark territory or simply writing your name across the wall
No off. F Stylz i just wanna tell you and the others that they shouldn't be getting into naming and categorising every aspect of writing.
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Thought bomb ment to go out and paint.....
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11-03-2003, 10:09 PM
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one more thing, blackbooking is actually sketching. I dont have a blackbook, i draw on papers. A throw up is a messy or a simple graff, something like a tag but bigger and with more colour. It is actually a bomb, it's used to mark territory or simply writing your name across the wall
No off. F Stylz i just wanna tell you and the others that they shouldn't be getting into naming and categorising every aspect of writing.
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if WRITERS THEMSELVES don't even respect graff as a legitimate artform, then there's nowhere to head but downhill. it is, in my opinion, VERY important to know the language, history, and general "basics" of graff.
ps throws aren't messy. shitty throws are messy. nice ones are clean. and blackbooking is often used in the terms of drawing. doesn't necessarily have to be in a book.
Think about it, you have writers learning the ins and outs of entire transport systems, risking serious injury even death, arrest and criminal records that would limit your opportunities for the rest of your life, for what? To simply paint a picture, does this seem logical to you? If the answer is no then it is most likely that you don’t fathom the idealism behind graffiti.
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11-03-2003, 11:13 PM
bboying teacher hahaa that just made my day more funny. i was not trying to be an azz with you but i was just trying to correct your terms and give you facts more then false words. I got on your case because you said TOYZ WOULDNT UNDERSTAND WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT or someting like that. I mean i give you respect for trying but i seen your drawings and there not even up to standerd level and on top of that i dont see any flix of walls that you say you did. You come down where i am from and hang with us and say these things every one would laugh and tell you to go home. the diffrents in trying to do burners you so called said and actualy having the skills to throw down is two diffrent storys. you burn the way you burn and you will be seen as a toy no matter how hard you try. Im sorry im on your case i realy am i came here to give right directions and help like what my friend manilagorila was doing. But action is greater then words and im trying to save you the drama in real life and not this internet bull shit.
im going to kill manila for putting that sig earlyer. your wierd manila hahahahah
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11-04-2003, 03:13 AM
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no your teacher is wrong. misia is pretty much right with what he said. trust me on this, i've had the guys that started this shit tell me what misia just said. tell your teacher to learn his shit before he runs his mouth.
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man my teacher was australias best breaker when he was 19 and he was asked to do heaps of burners for heaps off peeps and aswell he knows alot of peeps inculding Qbert
"GRAFFITI IS AN ART, AND IF ART IS A CRIME, HOW COME PICASSO NEVER DONE TIME"
Cavemen did it, so did Romans and Egyptians. The Incas did
it, so did Greeks and Native Americans. There was graffiti on the
New York subway a year after it was built. There`s graffiti on the
moon. If graffiti is vandalism, and vandalism is graffiti, then man
has left his mark with garbage at the farthest reaches of the
universe. So you with your pathetic desire to be remembered are in
good company. I could spend a ream of paper telling you about the
development of modern graffiti, but we`ve got other ground to cover.
It`s important that you know it, so ask your local expert (or DJ
Deadly Budda in Pittsburg if you don`t have one) and he`ll tell you
his version.
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11-04-2003, 03:15 AM
ok true what u said 5evo........ but i cant realy blackbook good because i couldnt be fucked trying etc but i can do burners ill try and get some picks i take my time doing them with a can instead of a pencil
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11-04-2003, 04:20 AM
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man my teacher was australias best breaker when he was 19 and he was asked to do heaps of burners for heaps off peeps and aswell he knows alot of peeps inculding Qbert
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I know qbert and talk to him... Manilagorila kicked it with him, been to his house and scratch with him so what does that have to do with anything....
one word of advise dont tell to much people you have a teacher to teach you to dance you wont get respect.... |
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11-04-2003, 04:48 AM
Ok for starters IMO graffiti is changing to lame ass tags from nice bombs or "burners" aswell i ment to say which i did that iam ashamed that people who just TAG have the right to call themsleves writers and yeah its ok to tag on a burner throwie the odd one here and there ????aswell my instructor and doesnt teach me he teaches others and i help
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11-04-2003, 09:11 AM
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one more thing, blackbooking is actually sketching. I dont have a blackbook, i draw on papers. A throw up is a messy or a simple graff, something like a tag but bigger and with more colour. It is actually a bomb, it's used to mark territory or simply writing your name across the wall
No off. F Stylz i just wanna tell you and the others that they shouldn't be getting into naming and categorising every aspect of writing.
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I do not understand what your saying. okay um lets see.. i do understand the concet of marking territory because i am from cali and these guys do not play around for anything. you step into the wrong area witch is almost every square inch in LA and throw down they will not beat your ass they will gun you down. But what i have learn is that diffrent area's play the game diffrent. Where i am at now the only thing we have to worry about is not getting cought or getting run over by something. The whole territory is bull shit in diffrent area's. so no one can say its territory reasons.
Throw ups arent messy at all unless thats what you want it to look like. But people can tell if you do have the skills or not when you go out and bomb around. Now the term bombs are diffrent these days. Bombing for alot of people just means they went out and painted ilegal or they are about to. Bombs dont mean simple stuff no more. simple ilegal shit is called throw ups. Now like i said im from cali and where fstylez is also i know when they go out and bomb they throw down almost pieces. This is why the west is so famous for bombing because these guys dont play around. Now days the name of the game is go big, touch the imposible places, throwing as hard as they can, and get up as much as possible. This is the name of the game on the west.
now you should be paying attention where fstylz be saying because he is on top of his game. Guy is realy smart and he does kick it with massive crazy writers from my understanding from my friend. You say you shouldnt catergorising these concepts of graff. Well how else are these guys going to learn the game. all three of the basick elements of grafiti plays a big roll in the game no matter what and yes tags are one of them.
Black booking sketching blah blah blah there the same your right. But that shit aint graff no matter how you will twist it. Its just art. Think about what the real elements of graffiti is. I could do the most craze drawing that would put people's brain into a twist. That shit wont mean anything its just art. No skills towards graff jsut creativity.
Heres a fucked up story that i ran into recent. There was a writers meating and mass people showed up. We all sat and talked or storys showed our book around and we all knew each other from seeing our shit riding around. Some kid came up and started to talk to us. We saw his black book and it was realy sick very creative person. But we never heard or seen this kid riding around and we ask him where hes from and why havent we seen him get up. He was a loco kid but never painted in his life. WE pointed out to the taggers and told him that he has to go to the toy circle. HIs drawings where sick but he had no skills and had no ups so he didnt deserve the respect.. |
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11-04-2003, 09:32 AM
Everyone cought the word messy, but didn't catch the simple. Bombing is painting illegal shit, bombs are illegal pieces or throws you often do simple shit to not get caught, right ?
I reeeeally don't want to get into a discussion about this, because it's boring and time consuming. I'm constantly trying to get pics of my pieces and bombs and post them so you can see that i'm not some lame ass writer-wannabe.
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11-04-2003, 09:40 AM
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Everyone cought the word messy, but didn't catch the simple. Bombing is painting illegal shit, bombs are illegal pieces or throws you often do simple shit to not get caught, right ?
I reeeeally don't want to get into a discussion about this, because it's boring and time consuming. I'm constantly trying to get pics of my pieces and bombs and post them so you can see that i'm not some lame ass writer-wannabe.
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Hmm is this shit simple to you... this shit was right in the open and yes it is straight ilegal.... THis is how we do it on the west... we rock harder then any one else. i saw your pictures befor a long time ago.... hahahahahahahahaha what else are we going to think if you talk alot and dont show anything to back it up... prove me wrong.. prove us wrong.....
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11-04-2003, 10:16 AM
graff has changed a lot in the past 30 or so years.. it's evolution. pioneers like DANGER 59, LEE and STAY HIGH layed our foundation and a few years later when the style wars erupted in the subways, people like dondi, duro and zepher paved the way for future writers with style that was unmatched.. that was during thier time.. when the new yourk transit finally won the battle with writers over the subways, writers began to hit walls and freights more often because burners on the subway wouldnt run. nowadays, people are just as devoted to graffiti as the past. only we have new ways.. the same elemants are there. modern writers are given shit on if thier work isnt clean and drip free.. hell even DONDI's work had drips sometimes.. but if a peice i'm doing has drips, i get called a toy.. if my outline isnt smooth and perfect, i get called a toy.. no one called dondi a toy. but if you get a chance to look at his biogrophy ( i got my coipy on saturday as an aniversary present) you'll see that he wasnt half as clean as we are at most of our shit.
also, on subways, you do a burner fast.. that means your can mooves faster and your coverage is not as clean as it could be. on walls, we take our time for the most part.. we get ore solid fills and cleaner shit.
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11-04-2003, 01:18 PM
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[b]Hmm is this shit simple to you... this shit was right in the open and yes it is straight ilegal.... THis is how we do it on the west... we rock harder then any one else. i saw your pictures befor a long time ago.... hahahahahahahahaha what else are we going to think if you talk alot and dont show anything to back it up... prove me wrong.. prove us wrong.....
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haha don't put down us east-coasters! i'm just playing, west coast cats do rock hard, but they play by different rules then we do. we rock hard too, just in different ways.
and if you really wanna see evolution in graff, look at east coast shit vs west coast shit. styles really changed on two sides on the same country.
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11-04-2003, 10:34 PM
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.... rap has had changes (for the worse IMO) ....
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that is so tru .... 
One day, One night .... and over again.
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