Etch - Please Read and Consider

Pop N Jay · **Etch - Please Read and Consider -** 10-02-2003, 11:18 PM

alright i've always been opposed to etch and scribes but now i hate them with a passion. first off, if ya don't know what etch is or what scribes are, go find out, then go learn some more cuz u ain't even scratched the surface of graff.

just today i saw a story on the news about the mass amounts of damage caused by scribes and etch (the story focussed mainly on etch)...now i'm not opposed to damage, obviously, but there's a few things i need to address about etch....

1) IT"S UGLY!!!! most people using etch don't have the hands to make it look clean, so it turns out being a great big messy, DANGEROUS piece of crap which nobody likes seeing.

2) IT'S DANGEROUS!!! more than once I've seen a story on the news where somebody fucked up their hands or skin or whatever by touching an etch tag. this makes everybody associated with graff look even worse than the public already sees us. i sure as hell wouldn't want some little kid getting his hand burned because some idiot wants permanent ugly ups. it's also dangerous to use. hydrogen fluoride burns the skin on contact and water doesn't do much to help once it's on.

3) IT MAKES LIFE HARD FOR ALL WRITERS!!!! there's been a HUGE crackdown in vancity on writers because of the upward trends in the use of etch. this crackdown isn't exclusive to vancouver. etch causes a LOT of damage, moreso than paint, so naturally more people will try to stop etches, and graff in general.

and, if u even care....most companies need to replace an entire window pane after it's been hit up with etch. think about THAT next time u etch an independent store or complain about bus fare being jacked up (they have to pay to replace bus station window panes somehow....)

due to this crackdown on graffiti in vancity because of so many idiots using etch, a number of good writers, not to mention my friends, have been caught. 911 now accepts calls and dispatches officers if they get a call about graff. STOP THIS SHITTY TREND before it starts in your city if possible. if you feel the need to use etch to keep your ups, ur not out painting enough.

just had to get that off my chest.

Bade-9 · 10-02-2003, 11:26 PM

i ive never really scribed.....just a dumbster once with a tack or something fuckin around.. or etched but ya if i etched some vehicle and a kid touched it id have to feel guilty as fuck... uh thanks.... make us another spotlight bitch!

Pop N Jay · 10-03-2003, 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by Bade-9
i ive never really scribed.....just a dumbster once with a tack or something fuckin around.. or etched but ya if i etched some vehicle and a kid touched it id have to feel guilty as fuck... uh thanks.... make us another spotlight bitch!

it's comin man....no worries haha

Bade-9 · 10-03-2003, 12:11 AM

heh eh hehe eheh aite kool

F Stylz · 10-03-2003, 08:42 PM

I only partially agree with you.

Yeah, etch bath can be dangerous, but so can a lot of things in the wrong hands of the wrong person. If they wanted to do etch bath ups, they may already be aware of the consequences of getting it on your skin. Oh well.

Yeah, sometimes it looks ugly, but so does a million and one tags, throws, and fills. What's the difference?

Graff writers will never be looked on as "smart individuals" by anyone that doesn't want graff in or on thier city. Etchers aren't making a 'new' bad impression. It was already there.

And really, why should anyone that writes really all of a sudden care about the costs it takes the city to clean our shit up? C'mon, that's why I pay taxes. Might as well have my money do something. It's my money as much as yours.
Yeah, that's too bad for independent businesses, I'm all for them, but it's not like graff ever did anybody any favors. Just think about how much money it costs to replace whole train windows, buy cleaning solvent, and have transit cops in NYC?

Ground Control · 10-03-2003, 10:39 PM

why NYC?? YOU TRYIN TO SAY SOMETHING!?

nah just playin, i've used etch before, but it's too dangerous for my tastes...i stay away from it and it stays away from me.

Bade-9 · 10-03-2003, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by F Stylz
I only partially agree with you.

Yeah, etch bath can be dangerous, but so can a lot of things in the wrong hands of the wrong person. If they wanted to do etch bath ups, they may already be aware of the consequences of getting it on your skin. Oh well.

Yeah, sometimes it looks ugly, but so does a million and one tags, throws, and fills. What's the difference?

Graff writers will never be looked on as "smart individuals" by anyone that doesn't want graff in or on thier city. Etchers aren't making a 'new' bad impression. It was already there.

And really, why should anyone that writes really all of a sudden care about the costs it takes the city to clean our shit up? C'mon, that's why I pay taxes. Might as well have my money do something. It's my money as much as yours.
Yeah, that's too bad for independent businesses, I'm all for them, but it's not like graff ever did anybody any favors. Just think about how much money it costs to replace whole train windows, buy cleaning solvent, and have transit cops in NYC?

See this is why we got F stylz kid This man always has a view thats intelligent,Clear headed,and seperate from what we think of

GraffitiMachina · **You cant straddle 2 sides on this Pop -** 10-04-2003, 12:28 AM

You cant think about the poor shop owner that has to replace his window, and then be the vandal in the back doing a throwie and the doing a handstyle on the window, you just cant.

If you got into graffiti, even if you are absolutly convinced it is in no way vandalism and is a form of art that should be bowed before, you already knew that the shop owner probably WOULDNT want it anyways and pay to buff it or replace what you did it on.

We dont really have a problem with etching here, but i cant see how it would be a big problem. What are these kids doing, licking the tags? How else could they get hurt by them? As for the writers getting hurt, meh, i cant feel for em. Just like doing graff anyways, you KNOW the risk your getting into, or you wouldnt be doing it anyways.

Besides, raising taxes? psh. The store owner replaces the window with help from insurance, and the budget in the town that is already there pays for the buffing or having to buy new windows or whatever.

F Stylz · **Re: You cant straddle 2 sides on this Pop -** 10-04-2003, 05:06 AM

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Originally posted by GraffitiMachina
You cant think about the poor shop owner that has to replace his window, and then be the vandal in the back doing a throwie and the doing a handstyle on the window, you just cant.

If you got into graffiti, even if you are absolutly convinced it is in no way vandalism and is a form of art that should be bowed before, you already knew that the shop owner probably WOULDNT want it anyways and pay to buff it or replace what you did it on.

We dont really have a problem with etching here, but i cant see how it would be a big problem. What are these kids doing, licking the tags? How else could they get hurt by them? As for the writers getting hurt, meh, i cant feel for em. Just like doing graff anyways, you KNOW the risk your getting into, or you wouldnt be doing it anyways.

Besides, raising taxes? psh. The store owner replaces the window with help from insurance, and the budget in the town that is already there pays for the buffing or having to buy new windows or whatever.

I actually completely agree with GM on this one.

iomek · 10-04-2003, 07:02 AM

ahh, from ma graffiti magazine (graphotism) its got an article about etch and other chemicals, peep it

F Stylz · 10-04-2003, 07:19 AM

The print's too small and blurry....can't read it.

Pop N Jay · 10-05-2003, 08:19 PM

k time to address some points made here, i'll go in order of who posted...

F - "Yeah, etch bath can be dangerous, but so can a lot of things in the wrong hands of the wrong person. If they wanted to do etch bath ups, they may already be aware of the consequences of getting it on your skin. Oh well.

Yeah, sometimes it looks ugly, but so does a million and one tags, throws, and fills. What's the difference?"

the diff. is tags throws and fills don't cost so damn much to eliminate, and cops are used to seeing spraypaint. etch is huge in vancity now and i hate it. at least in vancouver, u don't see the heads using etch. i've never seen an ensoe, mark4, virus, dedos, fes, demos, acrow, tars, reser....etc etch tag. i HAVE seen murder, sike, male, flare, etc using etch. what's the diff. between those two groups of writers? one is heads. the other is mostly toys. take a wild guess who the heads are and if they use etch. and say ur a toy and u go wild with etch. we gotta stare at that ish allll the time until the window is replaced. sure, if everyone had dope hands, it wpuldn't look so bad.....but not everyone does.

and etch stays wet for a loooong time. i don't care if the writer gets burned. he/she knew what they were getting into. but i HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN a little kid touch a wet etch tag and ended up burning his skin on his fingers.

GM - "You cant think about the poor shop owner that has to replace his window, and then be the vandal in the back doing a throwie and the doing a handstyle on the window, you just cant.

If you got into graffiti, even if you are absolutly convinced it is in no way vandalism and is a form of art that should be bowed before, you already knew that the shop owner probably WOULDNT want it anyways and pay to buff it or replace what you did it on.

We dont really have a problem with etching here, but i cant see how it would be a big problem. What are these kids doing, licking the tags? How else could they get hurt by them? As for the writers getting hurt, meh, i cant feel for em. Just like doing graff anyways, you KNOW the risk your getting into, or you wouldnt be doing it anyways.

Besides, raising taxes? psh. The store owner replaces the window with help from insurance, and the budget in the town that is already there pays for the buffing or having to buy new windows or whatever."

cost of paint to buff, PLUS labor - about $300 bucks TOPS. cost to replace a window? a few thousand dollars. bus fares have been increased as of late in vancouver. i had a look at the budget....a LOT of it went into replacing bus windows/shelters. there is clearly a direct effect on the taxes and bus fares because of etch.

again, i have PERSONALLY seen a little kid get burned from etch. i don't wanna get all soft here, but i felt for him. he must've been like 4 and i guess he thought the etch looked cool, and he ended up having to take a trip in an ambulance cuz of it. NOT cool.

guys, don't get me wrong. i fully understand graff is vandalism, i fully understand that someone's paying for the buffing, repainting, etc. i ALSO understand that etch is a legitimate part of graff. however, i remain completely opposed to etch. etch ups are pointless, expensive to eliminate and makes the crackdown on graff that much tougher. not forcing my views, just thought maybe there were some angles some etch users hadn't considered.

F Stylz · 10-05-2003, 08:36 PM

Harder crackdowns on graff just weed out the weak.

Fuck it, I have an etch and shit, that's not my sole way of getting up. Just another method of destruction.

And really, I don't give a fuck how much whatever costs, I pay for some of it, somebody else pays for the rest.

And I know mad heads that use etch bath and shit. Toys? Not by a long shot. Etch isn't new to most of the midwest area that I've been around. In fact, it's most likely the most rampant in Chi-town. Oh well. Graff lives on in different forms.

Pop N Jay · 10-05-2003, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by F Stylz
Oh well. Graff lives on in different forms.

true true

talib kweli · 10-06-2003, 12:57 AM

man dont be a hardcore tagger just use markers fuck scribes