machida vs shogun

eddFSC · **machida vs shogun -** 10-23-2009, 01:42 AM

machida's got this, this proves it. LOL

J-Hen · 10-23-2009, 02:38 AM

Did he just fucking snap that thing in half? Are you serious? Awww fuck that

eddFSC · 10-23-2009, 02:23 PM

he is also loved by the animals!

JavMuyx · 10-25-2009, 02:21 PM

machida.. i think he lost that fight.. but oh well a wins a win 16-0 BITCHES HAHAHA xD

NateThaGreat · 10-25-2009, 07:55 PM

actualy he won haha i was rooting for him. but he barly won, unlike his previous victories. most ppl saw it as shoguns win, but luckly the judges saw otherwise...very close
mmalinker
is a good site to watch the fight, takes a decent time to fully load tho.

J-Hen · 10-25-2009, 10:15 PM

So... I mean, he cracks coconuts open with his elbow and is loved by all animals... is he the MMA Messiah?

dpeng · 10-25-2009, 11:10 PM

Machida is one of my favorite fighters...but I think he barely lost to shogun

Mattie · 10-25-2009, 11:17 PM

Shogun won that 3-2.
Wtf judges.

Sutley · 10-25-2009, 11:30 PM

One thing to keep in mind, most of Shogun's leg kicks were answered by a jab and straight left from Machida until he switched stances (2 hits versus 1). Don't listen to Joe Rogan's commentary. Machida won, he barely won, but he won.

Side note, kicks are not scored as high as punches because kicks are generally not used for knockout attempts, but rather building up for a punch KO by reducing mobility, punching power, speed, stamina, and morale. The same could be said of jabs, though they cause the dizzying damage that comes with blows to the head.

atomicgoofball · 10-26-2009, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by Sutley

One thing to keep in mind, most of Shogun's leg kicks were answered by a jab and straight left from Machida until he switched stances (2 hits versus 1). Don't listen to Joe Rogan's commentary. Machida won, he barely won, but he won.

Side note, kicks are not scored as high as punches because kicks are generally not used for knockout attempts, but rather building up for a punch KO by reducing mobility, punching power, speed, stamina, and morale. The same could be said of jabs, though they cause the dizzying damage that comes with blows to the head.

i completely agree. However i thought that shogun did incredible against machida! it sounded like Joe and the other announcer were biased and all up on Shogun's nuts! all they recognize were the body kicks whereas Machida was parrying the HELL out of the punches one after another. Every time Shogun went for a take down, Machida took control. It was def a tough match up!

dpeng · 10-26-2009, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Sutley

One thing to keep in mind, most of Shogun's leg kicks were answered by a jab and straight left from Machida until he switched stances (2 hits versus 1). Don't listen to Joe Rogan's commentary. Machida won, he barely won, but he won.

Side note, kicks are not scored as high as punches because kicks are generally not used for knockout attempts, but rather building up for a punch KO by reducing mobility, punching power, speed, stamina, and morale. The same could be said of jabs, though they cause the dizzying damage that comes with blows to the head.

I watched the fight and Shogun just looked the fresher of the 2. By the end of the fight Machida clearly looked hurt and the first 3 rounds were debatable to either one... I think Shogun should have taken the split decision, as do alot of other people including the play by play analyzers of sherdog and fightmetric fight analysis..

Sutley · 10-26-2009, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by dpeng

I watched the fight and Shogun just looked the fresher of the 2. By the end of the fight Machida clearly looked hurt and the first 3 rounds were debatable to either one... I think Shogun should have taken the split decision, as do alot of other people including the play by play analyzers of sherdog and fightmetric fight analysis..

From the point-of-view of intuition, yeah, Shogun won the fight. According to MMA scoring rules (which, let's face it, are basically boxing rules with take-downs and kicks thrown in) Machida won.

dpeng · 10-26-2009, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by Sutley

From the point-of-view of intuition, yeah, Shogun won the fight. According to MMA scoring rules (which, let's face it, are basically boxing rules with take-downs and kicks thrown in) Machida won.

Actually if you go by what you said, in NEVADA state commission judging, Machida "might" have won, since it is round by round instead of being judged as a whole fight like in Dream promotions in Japan. I think machida won because round 1 he barely did enough with that knee to the stomach to sway the judges and rounds 2 and 3 were arguably machidas, but the last 2 rounds were both Shogun's.

Basic · 10-26-2009, 02:49 AM

muay thai > karate

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NateThaGreat Member Respect: 1 Posts: 30 Join Date: Apr 2009	10-25-2009, 07:55 PM actualy he won haha i was rooting for him. but he barly won, unlike his previous victories. most ppl saw it as shoguns win, but luckly the judges saw otherwise...very close mmalinker is a good site to watch the fight, takes a decent time to fully load tho.


J-Hen Buddy Respect: 2 Posts: 929 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Grand Blanc	10-25-2009, 10:15 PM So... I mean, he cracks coconuts open with his elbow and is loved by all animals... is he the MMA Messiah?
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dpeng Member Respect: 1.5 Posts: 284 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: dallas	10-25-2009, 11:10 PM Machida is one of my favorite fighters...but I think he barely lost to shogun


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Sutley JKLSutley Respect: 7 Posts: 355 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Kitchener-Waterloo	10-25-2009, 11:30 PM One thing to keep in mind, most of Shogun's leg kicks were answered by a jab and straight left from Machida until he switched stances (2 hits versus 1). Don't listen to Joe Rogan's commentary. Machida won, he barely won, but he won. Side note, kicks are not scored as high as punches because kicks are generally not used for knockout attempts, but rather building up for a punch KO by reducing mobility, punching power, speed, stamina, and morale. The same could be said of jabs, though they cause the dizzying damage that comes with blows to the head.
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