[Bboy-JadEdge]

"Its part of God's plan, don't question it."
PREDICTED, caught ya.

[Bboy-JadEdge]

And by the way, do you only believe in God because you want to go to heaven?
Pardon me for my ignorance if any.
One more question.
Why are humans so bigoted to think that God actually cared about us?
Or thats just something you want to believe.
What if we're just a creation of God like any other animals, its just that we managed to come out of the food chain and rule it. Then again, if you say because we're special for whatsoever reason. What makes you think other living things are less special to God for that matter.

peace.

[B-boy Jp]

Originally Posted by xDarkElement What would you do if your mom died? Would you say that it was time for god to take her to heaven?

Depending on if she has the blessing of Christ, God has chosen her to pass on and rest in heaven. However my mom is an atheist, and you know what my answer will be as much as I'll feel enraged and that it was unfair (if she was to die sooner than expected or accident for example) I'll simply say its life, nobody has lived forever and it ain't going to happen any time soon either.

You should also remember that as much as people grieve over the loss of a close friend or family member, Christians can rest knowing that they are at a better place. Death is NOT the end of live, it is part of it.

Also, we believe that Gods wisdom and judgement is ultimate and final, we may not understand it but we believe that he knows what is best for us, and it is written in the bible that the lord will not put you through something you won't be able to handle if you have faith in him.

Even if what I said isn't working for you, those are Christian beliefs, we don't need a perfectly concrete material answer, its simply faith in what is written in the bible.

I just hope I actually said the right things here, I am not a very in depth Christian, I have a subjective answer, but it might not be the commonly agreed on answer by Christian scholars, so I apologize for any misinformation and your welcome to correct me.

[Bboy-JadEdge]

I felt like asking another question.
So what happens to those who know nothing about christ before he/she dies.
Part of God's plan? Or still going to heaven.

[B-boy Jp]

Transcendent, I will never argue with someone who's only back up is a youtube video with no individual research put in on your part. There are plenty of youtube videos that hail Hitler too, in other words don't believe all the BS you see online

[B-boy Jp]

Originally Posted by Bboy-JadEdge I felt like asking another question. So what happens to those who know nothing about christ before he/she dies. Part of God's plan? Or still going to heaven.

He will be judged on how well he lead his life, unfortunately 99% of atheists have heard of Christianity and CHOSE not to believe, that's when the lord gets angry.

[Bboy-JadEdge]

Originally Posted by B-boy Jp He will be judged on how well he lead his life, unfortunately 99% of atheists have heard of Christianity and CHOSE not to believe, that's when the lord gets angry.

Lets say God is omniscient.
Wouldn't he know that there will be some people that won't believe in him.
So why would he want those people to go to hell.
Since he is omniscient, he would have know that there bound to be people who don't believe in him.
Isn't it ironic.

By the way, personally, don't you think its unfair that if an atheist who lives to help people. Doing all the community service, donating hell a lot of money, saving lives and all, ultimately, he still goes to hell because hes an atheist. Whereas, a murderer can go to heaven just because he believes in God. Isn't there something like meritocracy? There is an obvious loophole in the idea of going to heaven if you believe in christ. Its like saying i can do all the bad things in the world and then repent at the very last second before i die to God, i still end up going to heaven. And this guy who does all the great things on Earth that anyone couldn't possibly imagine, goes to hell because he insists on his belief.

no offence intended, just questions i wanan ask.

[DizzyStyles]

Originally Posted by Aftershock No, it's not horrible. I'm just stating the positive and the obvious. Maybe you should try to understand the statement first before trying to act like you know it. My statement means that When we die, if Athiesm is "true" then I won't have to go to hell, but if Christianity is true, then I still won't have to go to hell.

No, no, no. You're trying to be contentious, which is very counter-productive.

And believe me, I understood your statement, but that only makes things worse for how people will perceive you. Again, you only make yourself come off as a contentious child who's only interested in the "win," not mutual understanding.

Do you see everything Break4Christ has done in this thread? He has shown true strength in his patience, in enduring the ridicule he's received. THOSE are the Christians which make Christianity an admiral faith.

You're doing quite the opposite.

[B-boy Jp]

Originally Posted by Bboy-JadEdge Lets say God is omniscient. Wouldn't he know that there will be some people that won't believe in him. So why would he want those people to go to hell. Since he is omniscient, he would have know that there bound to be people who don't believe in him. Isn't it ironic. By the way, personally, don't you think its unfair that if an atheist who lives to help people. Doing all the community service, donating hell a lot of money, saving lives and all, ultimately, he still goes to hell because hes an atheist. Whereas, a murderer can go to heaven just because he believes in God. Isn't there something like meritocracy? There is an obvious loophole in the idea of going to heaven if you believe in christ. Its like saying i can do all the bad things in the world and then repent at the very last second before i die to God, i still end up going to heaven. And this guy who does all the great things on Earth that anyone couldn't possibly imagine, goes to hell because he insists on his belief.

That is one that a lot of people get at... but I still have to meet people that are as great as you say and selfless who do not have some sort of belief... I could say my father, my biggest role model is also an atheist, and believe me I do not like how things are either, but I can still pray that God will show him a path to knowing him and Jesus before the time of judgement has come.

But now for an answer you were probably looking for (I just wanted to make clear that I am not oblivious to the predicament) It isn't a loophole because as a Christian you won't do all the bad things on earth and as long as you believe in Christ you'll be fine, believing in Christ doesn't directly mean anything, you have to repent, because God's judgement (you assumed in your argument he is omniscient so I will too) is ultimate and he'll look inside your heart, so if you murdered your wife out of rage, but you do not repent to Jesus, you won't automatically go to heaven.

Also, I have to say that I have more respect for atheists that do good than Christians that'll do it because they feel like the more good acts they do the more of a chance they to get to heaven, Christianity shouldn't be a pyramid scheme. Off course I don't speak of all Christians, but more than you think may be like this.

I believe that if you lived a truly selfless live, beyond of which I have yet to personally know someone that has though without some sort of belief, even if it wasn't Christianity, that God will judge accordingly (he is omniscient so he is always right).

[DiBreeZ]

Originally Posted by Bboy-JadEdge And by the way, do you only believe in God because you want to go to heaven? Pardon me for my ignorance if any. One more question. Why are humans so bigoted to think that God actually cared about us? Or thats just something you want to believe. What if we're just a creation of God like any other animals, its just that we managed to come out of the food chain and rule it. Then again, if you say because we're special for whatsoever reason. What makes you think other living things are less special to God for that matter. peace.

About your question of God caring about us...as in Jesus... It is a beliefe, but it's based on faith in the word of God. Throughout the bible God outlines over and over how much He cares for His people.. The Awesome thing bout Jesus is that HIs care is not just for the believers, but especially for those who don't believe. in matthews he tells of how he came not to send peace on earth or to uplift the righteous (believers if u will), but so that the lost (unbelievers) might recieve God's care, love, and promises. He died so that someone like me who didn't believe untill 3 years ago, might recieve all those things and more... If u can read John 3:16 this is a perfect example and display of God's care for His followers and thos who aren't.

In reguards to the creation and animal question...It's not NECESARRILY,(mite b spelled wrong), a matter of being more special than other creations...but according to genesis 1:26, the bible is showing the creation of everything...and God specifically states in (scripture that he gave man rule over the beast of the field and fowls of the air etc., but if you've herad mans dominion came form God because he foinds us to be more special to Him than His other creations, the truth to that type of statement is found in Matthew 6:25-33.

Good questions.,...be Blessed...HOpe it helps

[B-boy Jp]

His answer has a lot more sources than mine so go with that Jad ^

[Transcendent]

Originally Posted by B-boy Jp Transcendent, I will never argue with someone who's only back up is a youtube video with no individual research put in on your part. There are plenty of youtube videos that hail Hitler too, in other words don't believe all the BS you see online

Once again, I spent about a minute researching. I didn't feel like wasting my time supplying information and building an argument to go against the entire thread. I was hesitant to even post the videos because I wasn't sure if another flame war would ensue.

Frankly, I don't care about the subject enough to bother. Even if I won, it wouldn't change anything. The Christians would still hold the Bible as absolute truth and everyone else would just have information to throw at other Christians, who would also continue the Bible is absolute truth.

In short, not worth the effort.

[Bboy-JadEdge]

k thanks, though i'm an atheist but i got to know more of christianity.
peace.

[Bboy-JadEdge]

Originally Posted by Transcendent Once again, I spent about a minute researching. I didn't feel like wasting my time supplying information and building an argument to go against the entire thread. I was hesitant to even post the videos because I wasn't sure if another flame war would ensue. Frankly, I don't care about the subject enough to bother. Even if I won, it wouldn't change anything. The Christians would still hold the Bible as absolute truth and everyone else would just have information to throw at other Christians, who would also continue the Bible is absolute truth. In short, not worth the effort.

lol transcendent, i get what you mean.
been there done that. but well instead of trying to go against them, why not try to understand their religion more. I'm not saying you have to believe the same as them. Because the truth is by knowing more, questioning more, we get closer to the truth. Even as an atheist myself. Even though i don't believe in God, i try to know more of christianity as well, for the sake of knowledge and what not. I'm pretty sure being an atheist isn't all about disproving theism.

Beliefs are still beliefs.
I have learnt a lot about their God in every discussion.
Whether a not it exists, is another deal.
I learnt a lot, be it people's mentality towards christianity or its history.

[Transcendent]

I do understand their religion. I was raised in the church. In fact, I'm trying to get out of going tonight. I'm very open in my quest of finding my beliefs, but for the time being, I've ruled out Christianity.