[Reflexion]

Due to recent events, the mod team thought it would be a good opportunity to make a few things clear.

1. A stupid thread does not give you license to spam

If someone makes a thread that seems like spam, that seems like it might earn them a ban, or anything of the sort, just don't post in it. If you spam a thread that looks like it's spam itself, you will still be penalized along with the thread maker when the mods see it.

2. The recommendation to create accounts or the actual creation of accounts to subvert actual or expected bans will result in a permaban

If you are tempbanned or think you will be temp banned and make a new account you will be permabanned on both accounts. This shows that you are actively trying to ignore the mods' decision. If you are permabanned and make a new account you will be IP banned.

3. Bboy-related threads belong in WORD UP GODDAMN IT !!

While not related to the latest incident in GD, there has increasingly been threads bboy-related posted in GD. It's really not difficult to determine which thread belongs where.

4. Asking for respect will result in a ban

Not much is more desparate than asking people to rep you. This will be penalized more harshly than regular spam.

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Further, in light of recent events a few newer rules are being introduced:

5. No tribe/game/etc threads will be allowed in GD anymore

The exception is the BS thread which the mods will periodically delete and create anew. Anything else is subject to deletion > infraction > ban.

6. Multiple accounts will not be allowed

There is not real point to having more than one account unless you are trying to rep yourself, bump your own threads, make yourself out to be popular, etc. If you have a legitimate case of why you might need more than one account you can PM a mod and your case will be reviewed. Rest assured, we will find out if you are multi-accounting.

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Regarding the latest respect incident, the mod team has discussed the situation and the following bans have been handed out based on the user's history of infractions and severity of offense:

Syrenz - Permaban

Ifly - 2 weeks

Xsl - 1 month on main account; other account permaban

Hi-Chew - 1 month

Celtics34 - 2 weeks

LazyLegszSDC - 2 weeks

KRC - 1 week

Everyone else that was involved in some capacity in the situation will also be closely monitored in the next few weeks, and will receive harsher-than-usual penalties should they violate any more rules. And let me emphasize the creation of new accounts to subvert these bans will unequivocally result in a perma or IP ban.


We hope that everyone can move on and work towards a relatively spam-free GD forum.

Thanks,

- The GD Mod Team

[_-=FiRe=-_]

Mind sharing the reasoning behind the increased severity on punishments for certain actions (Specifically #1 and #5)? IMO spam and trolling is/was an integral part of the GD forum's identity.

[Reflexion]

Originally Posted by _-=FiRe=-_ Mind sharing the reasoning behind the increased severity on punishments for certain actions (Specifically #1 and #5)? IMO spam and trolling is/was an integral part of the GD forum's identity.

The increased severity is intended to apply to people involved in the respect system situation, not regular users. Spam and trolling was tolerated to some degree in GD up until this point, but clearly some people thought it gave them license to post and do whatever they want. The new rules hope to eliminate some of the antecedents to an out-of-control GD.

And to reiterate, the penalties were not solely my personal decision but a product of collaboration of the mod team.

[Quann]

Perma ban for Syrenz seems a bit harsh .
he did start it, but when things started to get out of hand, he wasn't even around....

Sure hes a spammer and some people find him annoying and all but he was also helpful to a lot of people especially in the how to get in shape section where he had 2 stickies, one of which was frequently edited .
I know it wasn't solely your decision reflexion so I'm not really aiming this towards you . just my 2 cents .

[str33twalker]

For real, bboy xsl was going to make two new freeze guides this week now I got to wait a whole month!!!! And syrenz turned me from a fat lazy man to a muscular girl hearthrob!! The one day Im not on bboy.org shit goes down, actually good thing I wasn't on my dumb ass would prob been getting banned too.

Even though I don't know how bad the offence was so I should keep my mouth close....Well I should do a lot of things but I rarely do

[Reflexion]

Originally Posted by Quann Perma ban for Syrenz seems a bit harsh . he did start it, but when things started to get out of hand, he wasn't even around.... Sure hes a spammer and some people find him annoying and all but he was also helpful to a lot of people especially in the how to get in shape section where he had 2 stickies, one of which was frequently edited . I know it wasn't solely your decision reflexion so I'm not really aiming this towards you . just my 2 cents .

Syrenz propagated the glitch and kept tallies, basically making a game out of the whole incident. This encouraged others to join in as well as induce a lot of spam. Also, Syrenz's spam history was taken into account with the decision. It's possible for the case to be reconsidered, but I'd forecast there's no way he'd get less than 1-2 months ban.

It is unfortunate that Syrenz contributed to other areas of the site which were more helpful, but these contributions don't excuse his actions.In any case, he already tried, with many other users, to create a new account to subvert the original ban which, in any other case, would result in permaban anyway.

Originally Posted by str33twalker For real, bboy xsl was going to make two new freeze guides this week now I got to wait a whole month!!!!

Yeah that sucks, but he probably should have thought about that before making a new account in anticipation of a ban and then telling others to do the same.


All in all, things may have become more reasonable if the proper avenues of discussion were pursued and people waited out their ban rather than people making new accounts to basically overthrow the decision. This not only shows disrespect to the forum rules and mod team; it also strengthens the decision to originally ban in the first place.

[str33twalker]

Originally Posted by Reflexion It is unfortunate that Syrenz contributed to other areas of the site which were more helpful, but these contributions don't excuse his actions.In any case, he already tried, with many other users, to create a new account to subvert the original ban which, in any other case, would result in permaban anyway.

Yes I understand what your saying, but was there a rule against that before? Since thats generally what people do when they get ban, they make a new temporary account(I've seen that on many forums/games), if you didnt want them to make a new account, you should have ip banned them for a month(maybe you don't have that option?) then when a month came you could take it off.

But its the mods decision and actually mods on this forum are pretty good, one time I got an unfair infraction and i pmed the mod infraction guy and he looked into it and took it away within few minutes

[Reflexion]

Originally Posted by str33twalker Yes I understand what your saying, but was there a rule against that before? Since thats generally what people do when they get ban, they make a new temporary account(I've seen that on many forums/games),

Originally Posted by Reflexion RULES Bans & Infractions If you receive a ban or infraction, please abide by the sanctions that are carried with them. If a facet of this site is disabled because of an infraction you received, you are not to create a new account to subvert that penalty. The use of multiple accounts in contravention of sanctions will lead to permanent bans very quickly. ...Last edited by Reflexion : 08-06-2009 at 02:58 PM.

GD Rules/FAQ; READ BEFORE POSTING

Originally Posted by str33twalker if you didnt want them to make a new account, you should have ip banned them for a month(maybe you don't have that option?) then when a month came you could take it off.

I suppose we were on the honor system, and IP bans are a bit more complicated.

[str33twalker]

Originally Posted by Reflexion GD Rules/FAQ; READ BEFORE POSTING .

I seem to have overlooked that thread

[Transcendent]

Damn. I gotta say, I'm sad Syrenz is gone.

:/

[Reflexion]

We'll review Syrenz's case in the mod forum in response to his message via demonhand. But I wouldn't really hold my breathe, as the creation of a new account to subvert a ban explicitly results in a permaban (even before this incident). Further 'ignorance of the rules in not an excuse.' Because someone didn't read a sticky doesn't mean that the rules in that sticky don't apply to them.

[Transcendent]

I realize Syrenz broke the rules on more than one occassion and you had every right to ban him.

Just saying, dude was pretty cool. Gonna miss that cat...



























(yes, pun intended)

[Sutley]

I'm not sure I understand why the Respect system is so important, especially since it's not an accurate gauge of how helpful/insightful/capable someone is. I'm a good example, for instance - do I deserve 6.5 Respect? Fuck no, not through what I've presented to bboy.org anyway, so it must be meaningless.

Any way to reconsider the severity of these infractions over what is basically a novelty system? I'm not getting on anyone's nuts here, but Syrenz had some good energy that's going to be missed, and I think a perma-ban due to exploitation of the Respect system in any way is, to be frank, a complete and utter joke.

[bboyInfest]

Originally Posted by Sutley I'm not sure I understand why the Respect system is so important, especially since it's not an accurate gauge of how helpful/insightful/capable someone is. I'm a good example, for instance - do I deserve 6.5 Respect? Fuck no, not through what I've presented to bboy.org anyway, so it must be meaningless. Any way to reconsider the severity of these infractions over what is basically a novelty system? I'm not getting on anyone's nuts here, but Syrenz had some good energy that's going to be missed, and I think a perma-ban due to exploitation of the Respect system in any way is, to be frank, a complete and utter joke.

Snoop posted the reason somewhere on the BS thread but I'm no my itouch so I'll leave finding it up to you.

As for syrez, I miss him but I understand the mods point of view and I'll respect their choice. It's just my opinion that the GD rules that were stickied weren't advertised or known enough (at least for me, it could be a time difference thing) to expect that everyone's going to read them. But still I'll respect the mods' choices if they decied not to lift syrenz's ban

[BbOyJeOpArDy]

wait... no more tribe threads? no more syrenz game threads for us to spam in?






Please retitle this to "A New Wonderful Day for the GD Forum."



clicking reflexion's respect button nao.