[Heckwa]

Obviously it would be nice to have both, but which would you rather have? Could be someone who's technically really clean and on beat but zero originality ... and on the other hand u got the one who's sloppy but innovative. so yeah, who would u rather be?

[-Bboy OpTiC-]

hmmm... i think it's good to have techniques cuz you'll look dope with clean movements. but creativity is a big part of this dance, so a lil' of both would be good.. i'm greedy

[Poppin Smurf]

Ha ha ha!!!

nah if i wer 2 have one as the q asks um i think ill have creativity!!

in a battle id b able 2 hold it down n not freeze in a battle
but wit that creativity id create moves later on that r 2 the beat then ill b that poppin smurf hhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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im funny!!!!!

good thinkin atleast its not one o these HELP ME PPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEAAAAAAASSSSSEEEEE threads!!!

Either way, I think your going to look good eventually, depending on how much dedication you give to it. It kinda seems though, that foregoing any immediate payoffs you get from the sloppy-creative route, in exchange for a technique which may look temporarily boring, will lead to greater payoffs in the end. Many people who started without a technical foundation, such as myself, find ourselves wanting to relearn a foundation later, which can be a pain in the ass. Why not just do both? practice creatively one day, then do technique and foundation the next.

[B LeVe]

even being creative with thte dance requires technique. Anyone who doesn't work on a certain foundation is going to seriously fall behind in the dance as opposed to those who learn the basics first and build upon that.

[Poppin Smurf]

aiiiii listen up coz u better!! lol!!!!!!

Trews post is good!!! makes sence

[Andrew_C]

use your creativity while practicing your technics
that's how new moves are created, right?

[B LeVe]

TECHNIQUE ALWAYS COMES FIRST.

even ppl like elsewhere and midus have a basic foundation from which they work off of. The reason they're so good at waht they do is cause they've mastered the foundation specific to their styles.

SO PRACTICE YOUR TECHNIQUES.

Originally posted by B LeVe
TECHNIQUE ALWAYS COMES FIRST.

even ppl like elsewhere and midus have a basic foundation from which they work off of. The reason they're so good at waht they do is cause they've mastered the foundation specific to their styles.

SO PRACTICE YOUR TECHNIQUES.

Yes, but there is some ambiguity associated with the words "foundation/technique". Seriously, attempt to lay down a hard definition, and you'll see what I mean. I don't think Elsewhere learned a technique, and then became creative with it; rather, it was creativity itself from which his particular foundation was born.

[B LeVe]

but for the sake of THIS board Trew... do you not agree that everyone should have at least a certain foundation? True Mr. Bernal probably did not get where he is by doing everything conventionally, but for every Elsewhere, i'd say there are hundreds of just whack guys out there who think they are the shiet. He is where he is because he worked hard to create somehting that was based off of something popular that he had seen and then used his creativity and determinatino to create something new. I doubt many others are capable of being that unique. Who knows, there might be people here who'll come up with something different that becomes respected, but for the rest of us, I think it becomes important to learn the basics and THEN get creative with it. I mean, even the EB's can do almost all the styles out there. They know the foundations for them, but they dont necessarily bust them out in public. Even thought you may not use all the foundations you learn, it is still beneficial to learn them.

OF course, I cant speak for Elsewhere and how he came up with his creative process. So in essence, we are merely theorizing.

[Mowicz]

I agree completely with that. It's like each conventional popping style is a block. Now say you wanna build a tower (AKA, a new style). You can build more combinations with 5 blocks, than you could with 4 or less, but not as many as with 6. (Ok, so the block idea's kinda crappy, but it gets the point across.)

Now before you go sayin' "What if the new style's got nothing to do with conventional styles?"...

There is VERY little chance that some new style won't have a THING to do with isolation, or dime-stopping, or crazy 90 degree angles, or balance, etc. Therefore, the more styles you know and maintain, the more skills you bring to the table.....(you already HAVE them.)

Peace.

[realie tyred]

creativity is da best!!

Originally posted by B LeVe
but for the sake of THIS board Trew... do you not agree that everyone should have at least a certain foundation? True Mr. Bernal probably did not get where he is by doing everything conventionally, but for every Elsewhere, i'd say there are hundreds of just whack guys out there who think they are the shiet. He is where he is because he worked hard to create somehting that was based off of something popular that he had seen and then used his creativity and determinatino to create something new. I doubt many others are capable of being that unique. Who knows, there might be people here who'll come up with something different that becomes respected, but for the rest of us, I think it becomes important to learn the basics and THEN get creative with it. I mean, even the EB's can do almost all the styles out there. They know the foundations for them, but they dont necessarily bust them out in public. Even thought you may not use all the foundations you learn, it is still beneficial to learn them.

OF course, I cant speak for Elsewhere and how he came up with his creative process. So in essence, we are merely theorizing.

I definetaly agree, and this IS why you see so many watered-down versions of popping that just doesn't look right.

That's why I was talking about the definition of foundation, as a lot of people define it simply as having the control and isolation necessary to make waves make sense, to keep sharp angles, to stay on beat, and to control different sections of the body simulataneously.

In order to expand to the fullest potential, it is extremely important to learn the foundations for each style. I couldn't agree with you more. I wish I had been so lucky when I started, to know they existed. but, even then, I still would have thought the best approach to be one where the foundations are learned and where creative-spontaneous dancing is done simultaneously. Basically, I disagree with the notion that anyone should feel subject to learn the foundations, AND THEN later get to express creativity, as I can imagine that this would turn many away from the dance. The best WE can do, I think, is to also express the importance of the foundations to these beginners.

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[Guitarnbassboi]

Ya know..

Creativity is really good to have. but if ur gonna have a shitload of different movements while ur dancing, where is ur teqnique gonna kick in? (bad spelling..). With no teq, all that creativity you've been working on goes down the toilet. yea, like shit. I mean, think of it this way:

battle: a popper who tuts perfectly 90 angles, yet only does tutting Vs. a popper who's TRYING to (keyword, trying because lack of teqnieqe) wave, tut, da walks, etc. U get the point?

Who would ppl root for? Obviously the tut-boy. Even if it means a few seconds, tut boy here could ezily burn the creative boy. But then, too much of tut boi will get him burned himself. SO, show little, receive alot.

Conclusion: Creativity is much needed, but u cant sweat the teqniue! Go TEQ!

[Poppin Smurf]

guys guys guys its all bout ur opinion not to piss on the otha own 4 his opinion!!!

Id ratha take creativity