[BgirL`Twinky]

any bgirls wanna teach me how to do mills? and tutrtles.. i can do turtle a lil but its a need of practice.

im havin trouble switching hands.. its like i can only do two steps using my hands.. i fall in d 3rd step. any suggestion? 'preciate ur help y'all.. thanks

[electron]

you should try checking out the moves forum - there are pretty detailed posts about turtles and mills in there

also, use the search button in the top right hand corner to get all the information you could possibly need about this stuff

if you know where your turtle freeze is ( you've figured out how to work around your boobs ) then you're as good to go as you're gonna get ... it's a lot of practice, mainly

for mills, try also getting your backspins and coindrops, those two motions are pretty important for clean mills

[tinyD]

if you have only just gotten a turtle, my advice is to leave the power moves until you have more of the basic foundations down. just a suggestion. take from it what you like, but you'll probably learn other freezes and footwork alot faster and have more to show in a shorter period of time, if you have this down already, then go right on ehead to the moves section and listen to what electron has said.

[BgirL`Twinky]

thanks y'all! il work on it.. peace!

[soviet]

I disagree. try mills and turtles but keep that the only power you work on. turtles are gonna be good cuz once you have good turtle position, you can learn things like turtle to headstand to handstand to airfreeze stuff and transitions

those help a lot for combo-ing freezes and building control

I regret a lot that I didn't really work on those till now (2 years in)...I worked on it but once every two weeks kinda and it's biting me in the ass now

what's a footwork set with no blowup? or a blowup that takes you like 4 seconds to load into? it's limiting

windmills...collapse your arm before your first shoulder touches, keep your hips up, stay on your shoulderblades no matter what (you'll stop if you end up on your ass or lowerback), as you come back around to the front, put your right hand down (ccw) and push off of it, stab EARLY don't take your left hand out of your gut (still ccw), try to keep your legs straight as possible, stretch everyday

i'm pretty good with helping people with mills...here's a clip of mine, not the best but I've got em down...you can be like me and get away with shitty form by just pushing with your right arm as you come around and collapsing as soon as possible once you come around from your back to the handglide position again...it's really easy to do once you have it down

http://www.bboy.org/gallery/data/2/3...ll_Cleanup.wmv

http://www.bboy.org/gallery/data/2/3...crackertry.wmv

don't worry about fun variations now

don't study my clips too much look at someone with perfect windmills, not me

just an example

you'd be amazed at how it's possible to do mills just by pushing and collapsing right...shit, my leg form blows and I still can do them, everybody I ask for help tells me legs don't do anything...

don't do what I do. learn em better than me.

and if your gonna learn both turtles and windmills, learn footwork and toprock too. all power gets boring fast and your not gonna have a lot to show for it for about 6 months minimum. then you gotta clean everything up so powerwise it could be 8 or more, on the low side just to perfect those two moves.

takes time. learn everything, freezes power and footwork. makes it a lot more interesting. and footwork/toprock i'd do a lot of it. it's always something to fall back on, suppose your in a circle and you can't think of anything to do and you did a couple power sets? just freestyle your footwork+ tops, or do a set of it. plus suppose your power is giving you a hard time. just fall back on your tops and footwork and you can still look dope. you don't have to throw freezes in but it's nice to have it available. power to freezes is really dope too, like beybo can airflare to airchair...i've seen handhops to airchair too on one arm

don't work on the last two yet haha just an example

this post= too long, i'm tired and prolly incoherent so ask me for clarification if anything doesn't make sense

if your gonna learn mill and turtle, make that the only thing you work on powerwise for awhile. cuz if you branch out too much you end up thinking you have a little bit of everything but wasting your practice time with stuff you aren't ready for (example: I tried airflares 1 year in when I couldn't mill, flare, or anything else. not a good starting point. I'd literally do a handstand, fall, get up and think it was 1 airflare. it wasn't, and it was a waste of time.) if you do things, do em right. don't rush thinking you have things when it needs to be cleaned or isn't there yet. it's not a race to have a big list of moves. clean mills are better than falling on your ass in the front of flares then going into a backspin to 1 mill and falling on your face. make sense?

i'm tired

too much stuff I wrote and i'll wake up thinking what kind of shit is this crap? oh well least I won't be home to read it

bye goodnight

[tinyD]

for a chick that is...

you have to remember that we have a larger bottom half of our body, what can be easy for a guy to pick up right away, takes us alot longer because we have to figure out how to manage it with a heavier bottom half.

i agree about working on certain power moves only for a while though!

i think everyone wants to learn those first when u start breaking, as i believe ms. twinky is just learning. for girls when you are just learning i think its wiser to learn foundation beofre more complex moves as our upper body strength in most cases needs to be worked on, if twinky can't keep herself in a turtle, she's going to need to work on that aspect fiirst before incorporating power. and foundation is the best way to do just that. i know from myself, not knowing much about bboying at first, the first thing i wanted to do was power, so i was quite put off when i couldn't do that at first. but when i realised i was able to nail freezes etc, i felt alot better about myself and only wanted to get better.

just my thoughts

[soviet]

I don't agree. I figure as long as she knows what she's doing, watches a lot of clips and tries following it sequentially step by step, looking at how your arm moves, how your leg swings, where your hips are, when your hand comes down, etc etc she can get it

lower half or not lower half it's not any worse for chicks I don't think. but i'm not one (last I checked?). it took me 5 months but once you get it, it's easy. I suppose if she has someone teach her in person she can get them quickly. I dunno about turtles.

just because she works on foundation doesn't limit her power practice. I figure if she sticks to ONLY those powermoves, she won't have just power and still has time to work on enough style.

she should do it IMO, it's more annoying to have a lot of sloppy footwork and no power, which is what you'll have in the beginning, at least you have something and the same sloppy footwork which cleans with time

I dunno

[tinyD]

Indeed soviet last time I checked you were a boy

But from my experience, power moves to start, just isn’t the way. I’m sure a lot of girls will agree on that one…it’s something you can work on when you have some other moves down that don’t take a lot of time to learn, or you’ll have the sloppy footwork as you mentioned, and some half assed mills or whatever, which looks even worse. I don’t want to argue in any shape or form however….but, if you can’t do a turtle, windmills are quite the way off, that’s all.
Besides, power moves aren't what win a battle.

[M0wicz]

As far as physics goes, it'd be easier to mill with thicker legs...thicker, or shorter, in principle...so then why can't I mill yet!!!

The only thing I worry about for girls really, is bruising...their hips stick out.

Peace.

[electron]

according to asia one, once you get the form it's easier for girls to do mills than boys because we can use our larger hips for momentum


dunno if i agree ( asia is pretty streamlined anyhow ) but it's nice to know she thinks so

[tinyD]

perhaps i'm wording this wrong after re-reading my posts....

its not that girls can't do mills, or shouldn't learn them...

i'm just saying if you are starting out, especially if you cannot hold a turtle freeze, maybe it's better to build up more strength and confidence in your abilities before you start doing mills. get some other things under your belt and into your dance repitore before you dedicate alot of time to doing one singlel move, ie mills. thats all i mean.

[soviet]

makes sense

isn't for everybody though

I wish I tried power when I started still though haha

[Bboy-Bonez]

..mills dont require power and it should be easier for girls because they have a bigger lower bottom to help shift their weight. even so..if we were to call mills a power move a girl that is able to hold a handstand or hollow/invert etc should be able to do mills easily....

well thats my take

[tinyD]

i never meant that a girl cannot do mills, but i just think if you can't hold a turtle well enough there's more stuff you should be working on, like coordination, strength and balance, etc. I think it was alot harder for me to learn a turtle than a guy...my upper body strength wasn't there at first, and it only got better with other freezes.

maybe i'm biased, bc the BOYS that taught me alot of the moves i have these days have always put style over power (thats just how it is up in the tdot, we're all style up here). and i agree...until your style is smooth, power moves aren't a necessity. you can get away with pure style and freezes etc, but not a weak 6 step with no techs, and a mere rotation or two of a windmill. just my humble opinion.

[Mk_StyLeZ]

i wish i learned some style first....i can do power...but i cant really battle cause i dont have very much style so...my advice is just work style and power evenly as u go...unless u want to be a powerhead...or some crazy style person......