[sTyLyN]

oh, btw... in my opinion, Jed is not all that...

I will battle that nigga any day!

I rate myself to take him out... one time!

you guys should check out bboy Benni from SA

he is a very good all round bboy - got some decent style, lots of power, moderate originality... but his crew is not all that either...

got beef wit em...

they called Handbreak Turn

we called UFO
Unusual Freestyle Obsession

bring it!

[sTyLyN]

[quote=BBoy.Allycasta;866120]yeah ringer i know your intention was to see if there was any bboys in africa but what you said and not elaborating on it made it a racist comment in some .
OH RIVERS GOT THERE ASSES HANDED TO THEM IN THIS VID SO DONT SAY AFRICA SUCKS CAUSE EVERYONE BITES OFF OF THEM AND THERE OVER LOOKED



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Allycasta...

I would not say that this battle was the best display of SA talent, I would say we in SA could show better...

can't really speak for the rest of Africa, but I am sure that the guys out there are pretty damn formidale...

need more of those guys to get on this forum.

[DnA]

Dude allycasta you're fuckin annoying.

[sTyLyN]

lol...

now now guys... lets all just get along.

we in Africa are all about peace, acceptance and cooperation.
so pls, no animosity in this thread.

I realise things got a bit heated in the beginning, but that was then, and that was a matter of honor.

enuff wit these accusations and arguments.

lets be friendlies

[RingerINC]

Originally Posted by BBoy.Allycasta yeah ringer i know your intention was to see if there was any bboys in africa but what you said and not elaborating on it made it a racist comment in some .

dude, i didn't say anything. And neither have you... well nothing that makes much sense...

[dbaznxdragon]

....y does there HAVE to be a thread about black ppl?

[sTyLyN]

Dude...

who said anything about Black people?
not all Africans are black u know...

there is a tribe in Southern Africa (nearly wiped out of course) called the Khoi San... they are "brown"... I'm probably a descendent of them. but what's up wit the colour thing man?

jeez... African thread has to be so damn contentious doesn't it.

I say you owe us a visit now.

I say we start a thread "lets get dbaznxdragon to Africa"

[dbaznxdragon]

....dude i'm brown too, i say black...it's jus slang

edit: it's like saying moreno in spanish..just a darker coloured person

[sTyLyN]

ok, cool...

respekt man...

all I'm saying is: why we gotta make it about colour?

I come from a country with a racist past, and in some respects that still exists here... I just think it's bullshit man, cos you'd think that the rest of the world would be beyond that shit... but the truth is that these fuckin bullshit ideologies exist everywhere.

even people who claim not to be racist often make racist comments or make judgements upon people based on their skin color...


come on guys - end the otherness!

[dbaznxdragon]

i'm past that mode of thinking. i'm done thinking about racial wars and all, me and my friends in our little click of a multiethnic community spend too much time making ethnic jokes and teasing each other with stupid stereotypes about people who can't drive well or others who are convicts. i think people are just too damn sensitive these days.

[sTyLyN]

I guess...

its just a bit messed up...

I just came from a screening of a documentary on Steve Biko, and his son gave a talk.

for me, I just think that ppl before us have struggled hard and long for the freedoms we take for granted. half of those ppl in the struggle didn't even see the light of a free day, and it still is questionable whether any of us are REALLY free. sure we can choose what pair of shoes to buy... but it's kinda like money buys you your freedom, and the more you have ... the more you have ya know. I guess (not all together accurate). Money buys ppl privelege while others are enslaved by things such as poverty

Point: do we have the right to make fun of ethnic groups and stuff... for me it's a moral thing. ppl are ppl, and all people have the right to dignity.

I guess that it won't hurt anybody who doesn't hear it or doesn't care... but for me I just think its a moral issue and I wouldn't do it. and when I have (because we all are guilty of racial stereotyping etc.) I have always felt guilty about saying what I've said.

don't you?

[dbaznxdragon]

Originally Posted by sTyLyN don't you?

If you're talking to me, then here's my response.

In a war, a dispute, such as this one, where "color" of the skin is the main issue, I say that people don't look on either side of the battlefield. "Caucasians" are seen through hateful, vengeful, eyes; whether it be in the form of requesting reparations or "freedom" in general. "Caucasians" look outward at the world and see it through similar, if not more deadly, eyes.

I'll open people's eyes to this, where is the record of European primitive living in any way shape or form? In better words, have anyone ever noticed that everyone has some (at least minute) record of their culture in their native stages. I've noticed that as far back as (America/Europe) history that they've documented, the majority of their records speak of war, conquering, pain, anguish, death, plundering, riches, kings, queens, territory, and all that good stuff. Even back to the Vikings, to the Romans, the Greeks (and their violent mythology), there was records of war and conquer. However, unlike the vast majority of every other "ethnicity" in the world, there is no documentation that i have personally found...where it's in (America's/Europe's) culture to genuinely work together and not kill each other in neither nature nor civilization. At some point in time, conquering other territories and countries play a role in "Caucasian History".

With that being said, I am not angry at my light-skinned brothers, because I've gotten high and thought about it in their point-of-view. I'm wrestling with the theory that it may generally be instinct in a person of European descent to take what he needs from others and to be more hostile than other continental communities. This is similar to "scavengers" (for lack of a better word) in the animal kingdom and many animals live similarly by taking from others to fend for one's self.

Many of the other ethnic communities show traits of hunter/gatherer properties and build their community with the aim of helping each other survive by the end of the day (whether it be picking food, fishing, hunting, making shelter, making clothes, etc.) rather than hunting for other people/animals to take their shelter, food, currency, etc. such as a scavenger.

Many times in history, europeans have introduced themselves, conversed, surprised, threatened, and mauled other civilizations respectively if they are able to do so. Many civilizations, of course, have been able to avoid being mauled. However, if such events didn't happen in our world (and the animal kingdom) then we wouldn't be the way we are; the world and all it's civilizations wouldn't have evolved or mix together the way it has.

Again, I am mad at no person weilding a deadly "color" on their skin but am able to say i'm reaching better wisdom on such a war. While contemplating such, I am confident and calm to say I do say racial jokes at times, i do laugh at racial jokes, i enjoy people making stereotypical jokes out of me/them/others out of jest. If it is a joke where another human being (of similar or differing color) and i can laugh about on the ignorant statements in the world--black people love fried chicken...like...SO??? everyone else does too!!!--then we'll proceed to laughing and having a good time while changing the subject (sooner or later) to something more important...like bboying.

I'm a human being like anyone else who stands beside me and exhibit the same two eyes, nose, mouth, ears, and penis (theirs may be smaller ). My color was determined by my ancestor's environment and caused me to better adapt to that environment...giving me a better possibility in surviving this world. If other people don't understand that, then they need to be talked to. If they don't want to listen or are not actively trying to understand the predicament we as a people put ourselves in...then they can be blinded by ignorance if they want to.

[sTyLyN]

intereseting take on things man. I don't have reason to believe that I am ignorant.You brought up a good point when you mentioned that it can be jestful and funny to make racial jokes - with friends i gathered

My prob with the racial thing is when people who you don't know or who are not in your sphere of respect try to make jokes like that. and also when the jokes are used in bad taste... people also often make jokes, and you wonder whether they are being serious or not. the joke would be told in a light hearted tone, but sometimes I wonder whether that person is being serious (I refer to when friends direct jokes at black people).

it's a complicated subject. It's often hard to tell when someone is genuinely being funny or being underlyingly vindictive. For me, it is predominantly the hurtful jokes that are wrong in my opinion.

I like to laugh, and I can be a funny guy, but I personally avoid telling racial jokes. I might even laugh at them, but in most instances I don't respect them...

but hey dude, don't worry about it - each to their own. I'm just expressing my views.

Just to add: when one reaffirms stereotypes and racial assumptions, even in the form of light-hearted jokes, it fuels those stereotypes and assumptions. furthermore that would then reflect on peoples first opinions depending on the color of your skin or the cultural background to which you belong...

for e.g.
dbaznxdragon = hispanic male ("moreno")
so one on first sight of you would assume that you are an immigrant, can't speak English, listen to loud music all the time, drive pimped up a low rider, a gangster, say things like "essay" and "homes", steal shit... etc.

that's why I have a problem with it

[dbaznxdragon]

Originally Posted by sTyLyN Just to add: when one reaffirms stereotypes and racial assumptions, even in the form of light-hearted jokes, it fuels those stereotypes and assumptions. furthermore that would then reflect on peoples first opinions depending on the color of your skin or the cultural background to which you belong... for e.g. dbaznxdragon = hispanic male ("moreno") so one on first sight of you would assume that you are an immigrant, can't speak English, listen to loud music all the time, drive pimped up a low rider, a gangster, say things like "essay" and "homes", steal shit... etc. that's why I have a problem with it

you're missing the point. the reason WHY you would get mad at the person saying the racial joke in the first place is if that person BELIEVES that the stereotype is TRUE. if the person doesn't believe that the stereotype is true whether he jokes about it or not, then it wouldn't matter to u cuz he already knows it's not true. if the person genuinely believes that all asians are math geniuses or any other racial stereotype then that's when racial jokes are a problem.

[sTyLyN]

precisely...

but if someone is not in your respect circle and just said some stuff like that... thenwe got a big prob.

me I just avoid it